Why is it a particular type of, usually men, who are normally the instigators of civil unrest?

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It can’t be that they’re all just disillusioned or angry or even just thick. It largely seems to be working class men (and yes some women). When I passed the Tommy Robinson March last week when I was in London, it was a very similar demographic although I must admit it looked mainly quite calm.

I feel angry for the families of those poor girls, it’s beyond dreadful what happened to them but the rioters must know that they’re not helping them at all (or themselves).

So is it just racism? I saw some of the videos on X last night of black men and Muslims being singled out and attacked and can’t really think it’s down to anything else. The footage was shocking.

A couple of protestors on the Palestine march yesterday were arrested for sieg heiling in the direction of Jews, so it's definitely a crime. The police were likely overwhelmed but hopefully with the photo evidence it will come back to bite him on the bum.

I imagine the police in that photo of the salute were trying to peacekeep/crowd control that's why he didn't react to that man.

EDL thugs have stormed an asylum hotel in Rotherham, god knows what’s now happening inside.

In Bolton, several hundred Muslim men have congregated and are charging police & throwing things.

Austerity and underinvestment in most of the industrial north, allowing once proud wc towns like the one I live in to fester and decline whilst money poured into the south east could have only one consequence in years to come. Sunak admitted off the record that he was going to remove the levelling up money and send it back to places like Tunbridge Wells. The large town I live in has lost hundreds of millions in pounds of central government funding over the last 10 years. Scandalous I say when parts of the already affluent south didn’t suffer at all. 6 out of 15 libraries were shut in my town, swimming pools closed or prices increased out of the reach of many and yet the council were happy to welcome hundreds of asylum seekers to attract government money. I’ve no issue with immigration at all but it’s clearly daft to send traumatised and relatively uneducated/ unskilled people who are visibly religiously conservative in large numbers to towns whose local population is already suffering with these things. And bingo just seen trouble mentioned in my town !

Honestly, just watching the Holiday Inn mob on X, it's fucking awful, those poor people in the hotel must be terrified. It's sickening. Anyone even slightly defending the behaviour should hang their heads in shame.

I'm nearly 50 - there have been racists like this all my life - however there have been peaks and troughs. At the moment we're going through a peak in racist thuggish behaviour.
I do feel for working class white men. I really do believe they've been left behind and are economically abd socially disadvantaged. They are preyed on by people like Nigel Farage and the right wing press, and sadly they seem to believe everything they're told.
By the way, I'm talking about a minority of working class white men. Most are decent people!

At no point was the Holiday Inn in Rotherham on fire. Some idiot set fire to a large bin outside the HI. Let’s be anccurate about the reporting and not fan the flames.

It really needs to be called out for what it is - terrorism.

Was just reading that water cannons aren't allowed to be used in England and Wales? The police don't have a chance.

Apologies, the baying, chanting mob smashing in windows and shouting for the people inside the hotel to be killed only lit a wheelie bin outside the hotel. I feel incredibly reassured, as must the inhabitants and staff of the hotel.

They used the wheelie bin to block a door - to set a fire & barricade the exit.

"I think the Tory government has a lot of responsibility for stoking so much anti immigration rhetoric. The number of people coming over in boats is tiny but was given so much attention."

Id say thats down to the newspapers, media etc, without those most people would know little of outside their cities or countries etc

@SallyWD ok - I have seen both sides of this- I'm originally from a north midlands mining town but live in Bath- there isa lot of truth in the fact that decline in specific industries ( often quite well paid) that a lot of men worked in in industrial areas ( mining, shipbuilding, ports , printing , heavy engineering, car plants) has landed more heavily on working class men than any other part of the population. Not many men want a bit of shop work, or a bit of waiting on or tills at Tescos etc - not many are going to be up for the challenge or the mindset of getting qualified to go into teaching or nursing etc , so I think one thing we need to do is encourage free good quality skills courses in areas such as the trades or car maintenance or HGV training or newer trades such as solar, wind , networks and telecoms etc . In the past one obstacle is for many of these courses you had to be unemployed 6 months and lots of people couldn't qualify because actually a lot were working to keep going - even if it was relatively unskilled work- I think we need to remove barriers to actually obtaining skills training -and bring back retired high skilled guys on good rates as trainers

None of this excuses mindless violence- they had years of this shit under the Torysand have just decided 'now' is the time to create mayhem - this is all the far right wing deciding they don't like the fact Farage wasn't quite as popular as they thought in terms of winning seats - and the fact they in all honesty believed the Brexit nonsense that immigration would just go away-

Was just reading that TR has also been falsely claiming that a stabbing in Stirling was done by 'a muslim.' This is whilst on holiday at a five star resort.

Immigration isn't going to go away though, we need it. The government won't admit it though.
We have an aging population, and there aren't enough future taxpayers to support their pensions and social care costs without importing young tax-paying working-age migrants.
They know it will be wildly unpopular if they admit it, so they make noises about doing something but never actually do and don't invest in the infrastructure to support the influx which is causing tensions in the areas affected.
It's convenient to have scapegoats.
"Look over there its a Squirrel!" has worked for successive governments. It used to be single mothers, then benefit cheats and scroungers and now its migrants. As long as they can keep you blaming others, you re not blaming them.

The protests/disorder has happened in pretty much the poorest towns and cities in the country and some of the ones most affected by austerity cuts.

@Liverpoolma123
Well the daily mail, has outed him.

The daily mail has found out where he is in a 5 star resort and outed him on hols.

He said his kids are frightened that people are coming for them.

I think people in general accept the migrants if they come here legally (although the current net numbers are not sustainable year in year out). But the numbers are at least controlled by the government in terms of what visas are granted etc.

The backlash is mostly with boats full of undocumented/unvetted/uninvited young men paying criminal gangs to enter the UK on boats, and then being dispersed around the country into various accommodation. The government don't want these illegal migrants either but are helpless to do anything about it. Rwanda was just a gimmick.

Bet his supporters are surprised at that and he isn't in the thick of it all. Then again he doesn't need to be there to have a impact just needs to write a post got plenty of followers who hang onto and believe what he says.

Bad been outed but maybe..just maybe he'll realise his actions are the reason his kids are frightened. Probably not..surprised Mail have done that they used to be woohey about him

@Crikeyalmighty good post. I would add a lack in the past and still now of sen awareness in education.
Many people in prison have very low literacy levels
We urgently need a dramatic education overhaul and we must try different strategies when one (phonics) fails.

Self esteem can be damaged from an extremely young age.
Self esteem issues can lead to all sorts of major life issues.

For those on twitter you can see people spouting utter filth but look at them! They are immensely deprived, one lady is missing most of her teeth, her family is with her. How can we break these deep pockets of cycles of deprivation. Comprehensive schools are not cutting it are they??

We had many problems as a society but Tony Blair underestimating how many eastern Europeans would want to come here when he dropped working restrictions has absolutely fucked us as a country.

Millions of people came here and went into the poorest communities. Read memorandum to Parliament from Slough, begging and setting out point by point how they had been hit and needed money. No judgement on those that came, who wouldn't, but unfortunately services were pulled to divert money elsewhere. The Slough memorandum goes through blow by blow each and every service and why it was under strain. This wasn't a lie or made up, it's there.

This was real in people's lives, there were many programmes at the time but one that stands out is panorama, pulling meals on wheels for support due to the massive sudden influx of people.

People suffered, people did not forget and now they are genuinely angry and or they use that as the excuse.

Who did this to us, who made those predictions that a few hundred thousand would want to come?
They have set the tone for where we are now.

Unfortunately there will always be racists, I grew up in the Stephen Lawrence era. I remember the sheer horror of that, I watched the programs undercover in the flats of the perps. I remember the police hiding evidence etc.

But I never remembered outrage at genuine asylum seekers and refugees. Never. Overall we have been proud to help people out.

The whole “migrants are used as scapegoats” doesn’t really chime with me. People are not blaming migrants for coming, they’re blaming the governments for bringing so many in, especially the unvetted ones but including legal visas too.

He's asking for sympathy re people realising who he is in a five star hotel in Cyprus.. whilst actively creating terror for many families.

Unbelievable

Interesting also that a couple of years ago when in court there was discussion of his £2 million. I wonder how he earned that?!

@StuckintheRutt yes-literacy and skills levels are poor in a lot of the working class population in particular- and SEN provision has been poor for a pretty long time. and that isn't going to cut the mustard in a lot of employment these days. I'm not necessarily with you in regard to Eastern Europeans though- it did create far too big an influx for a good few years- but settled down somewhat as a lot with families returned after a while when they realised that whilst they may earn better here the costs were hugely higher - and of course as Romania and Poland improved too - most Eastern Europeans I know ( and I know quite a few) work really hard - and are often not well off but really decent people-

I'm actually quite pro the European way with kids tending to split into an academic or a skills based curriculum- maybe we would have some more motivated 14 year old lads learning motor mechanics or electronics rather than forcing them into further maths etc - same with girls in subjects that interest them - might be motor mechanics, might be nursing care or beauty therapy or animal care - whatever

He's asking for sympathy re people realising who he is in a five star hotel in Cyprus.. whilst actively creating terror for many families.

Unbelievable

I honestly think there's something pathological going on with him- one too many blows to the head maybe. No one is that cheeky. The nerve of the man. (Although I sympathise with the kids).

I'm actually quite pro the European way with kids tending to split into an academic or a skills based curriculum- maybe we would have some more motivated 14 year old lads learning motor mechanics or electronics rather than forcing them into further maths etc - same with girls in subjects that interest them - might be motor mechanics, might be nursing care or beauty therapy or animal care - whatever

You realise we had that? Grammar schools and technical schools, plus secondary moderns admittedly.