Thread 4 Starmer: Fighting back with brooms and community.

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True - tho' there are some very elaborate and distinctive ones on show by some masked rioters which would be recognisable as a particular tattoo-ists artwork?

That is a lovely bit of news - hopefully the child in hospital is making good progress too.

I think it’s more that they can be distinctive and identifying isn’t it? So if your DD is a regular at a shop and goes on a riot without covering her tattoos the police will be able to use the tattoo artist to identify her. Especially if they are unusual.

If she isn’t breaking the law, or covers her tattoos if she does she should be ok.

No, no swastikas. And mine’s spelled correctly in French…
Just being a regular means not very much. Though probably there are some parlours where it would. I’m pretty sure the tattoo artist my daughter uses wouldn’t tattoo any of that shit. Or the one I used.

Very possibly.

Hope so too

I was responding to a jokey thought (I know it wasn’t serious) that you could pick them out because they were heavily tattooed, not from identification of the tattoos.

At least one has been useful. This from Chronicle Live

It’s commonly used to identify criminals. Tattoos are unique markers. Winston Churchill had them…

ive got distinctive tattoos that the artist who did them would spot straight away. thing is, im not a racist going round smashing stuff up soooooo, im not worried!

A reminder that the last Conservative Government published a review just last year claiming that there had been "too much focus" on tackling threats from the far-right...

I know this man, referencing planned ‘events’ in Plymouth for tonight. I’m not in Plymouth, but I think I’ll light a candle at 7pm. Good advice about the kids.

https://news.sky.com/story/liverpool-riots-people-appear-in-court-the-youngest-just-14-and-the-oldest-a-69-year-old-who-turned-up-with-wooden-bat-13191287

Probably not a great idea to call the judge a ‘shitty arse judge man’.

Good plan. I’ll light one too.

They sound young, stupid, drunk, serious criminals and old enough to know better. Derek Drummond sticks out for being particularly via.

The 14 year old was defended by a Ms Iqbal.

moron people who hurt their own country, the police, their families and finally themselves.

Btw being drunk or coked up makes your offending worse in the eyes of the law so being out of it is not an excuse.

I suspect these thugs are being defended by the very people they'd been throwing bricks at the day before ...

Funny old world, innit ?

And their injuries attended to by them as well.

I thought the same @SerendipityJane . Have to admire the solicitors who do the job. I hope they all stay safe with the reports in The Times
Of communications on Telegram planning attacks on immigration lawyers and centres

UK riots: Police brace for further violence as countries advise against UK travel

www.thetimes.com/article/eee5eb79-dd1e-4320-914b-46dcb6f8ddd6?shareToken=a0417c740e1981fc63831d848bfe3159

Horrific to see the number of countries advising not to travel to UK, but understandable.

I am glad the 14 year old got bail. Maybe I am soft but I don't want to see young people locked up for one moment of stupidity.

The rest of them can rot.

Horrific to see the number of countries advising not to travel to UK, but understandable.

Putins' spite ?

Well I guess they've acheived part of their aim then - protecting our borders.

But yes - the serious side - it is embarrassing that we are being advised as a no go zone for a holiday. But so were the Spanish resorts rioting against tourism.

My DM got "very cross" with my DF when he commented it might be an idea to not go into London in the late 70s, because of the IRA bombing. (So much so she came with me).

She was adamant the moment you do something different, these gangsters (her word) have won

Unless he goes straight back out and riots again - he’s done it once. Not sure what the answer is as I agree about prison/young offenders institution not necessarily being helpful.

The previously unblemished 14 yr old who knew enough to say “I wasn’t throwing them at you, sorry” to the police because he knows that could incur a harsher charge? Yeah, yeah, I’m an old cynic.

Sentencing guidelines suggest that he is looking at 2-4years in custody.
From the brief description my guess is category 1 harm, B culpability.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/violent-disorder-2/

Note that the sentencing guidelines have not changed since 2019, so if they are deemed lenient we know who is responsible for that.