Thread 4 Starmer: Fighting back with brooms and community.

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5128710-thread-3-starmer-digging-has-started-bigger-shovel-required?page=40&reply=137271564

Scotland and Wales have much lower population densities, there’s less overcrowding, it’s less diverse. It really isn’t social science to know that isn’t a recipe for what we have seen this week. Trying to make out there’s some defunct English man gene which compels them to lose their minds and race riot, while those born 60 minutes away over the border are somehow immune to it, is a nonsense (and quite a bigoted nonsense - no different to slurring anyone else based on the actions of a small minority).

It was unintentionally a deceptive visual representation of diversity in Wales

Who would be thick enough to look at a map of Wales and not know how mountainous and uninhabitable a large proportion of it is? Oh…..hang on….

Didn't make any reference to skin colour
At least misrepresent me accurately

What did you mean by ‘indigenous English’? Can you clarify?

😂

Cardiff (where I was born and brought up) has always been very diverse- mostly due to the docks and sailors settling there during the coal booms. So immigrants are not a new thing.

The Welsh city I now live in proudly calls itself a City of Sanctuary and tries to welcome and support refugees

Just leaving this here.

https://cadw.gov.wales/learn/wales-rich-and-diverse-heritage

In all seriousness though, this isn't the thread for it. Plenty of posters out there talking about the threat to indigenous populations, if you listen to their reasonable concerns I'm sure you'll figure out who they are. Advance search might help.

Now I'm not responding more as I don't want to derail.

Dh and I had a lovely meal last night at ds' and his girlfriend's place.

It was nice to be fed rather than have to cook . Up until last July, we alternated Sunday night meals with going to my dad's place, so I only had to cook once a fortnight .

My dad, who knew that ds' offer had been accepted on the flat and was supposed to have been helping with the deposit , would've been so proud to see the home that ds and his girlfriend have made for themselves.

Ds' offer was accepted on 28 July last year. On 31 July Dad rang his broker to begin the process of getting out some of the money he'd been saving for his grandson for his contribution to the deposit - but he died suddenly and unexpectedly on 1 August.

It’s so fascinating, isn’t it @PandoraSox and so very accessible, there’s no excuse not to ‘educate yourself’ as they say. Unless, of course, you have an ulterior motive for pretending immigration is something that’s only happened in the last 50 years or so and is thus the source of everything wrong in society. 🙄

Absolutely.

And if you look back through the threads when it was Tory's in charge some very knowledgable MNers here answered these questions as part of their POV.

Sounds like you had a nice evening @prettybird

I agree. If you go back far enough, we're all immigrants.

I will add some of the answers were things like we need to pay our Doctors more because we are losing them to other countries. But the problem seems to be when Labour have done that people are then against us paying them more. But they'll complain they can't see anyone under the nhs.

That's why I think although I 100% agree with what you say it needs to be done as a collective government mission with all parties agreement and on the same side. Or the stats get used to prove someone's own bias. And nothing changes.

Sorry @prettybird. I know the feeling of pride mixed with grief that you must be feeling. Three days after my DF died suddenly in 2020, DS got his degree results. He’d got a First. DF would have been over the moon.

On Wales, things may look ok on the surface but Llanelli has had a different story over the last few years. A local hotel was suddenly taken over to house asylum seekers a few years ago (they were never housed there in the end) but there were people protesting outside and the usual suspects including TR, NF and Katie Hopkins all made visits. The election was a three way split between Labour, Reform and Plaid with Labour winning by just over 1000 votes. If trouble erupts anywhere in Wales, I’d expect it to be there.

Indeed @Willowkins . I should really get on Ancestry etc before the things that have been passed down from my grandparents fade from family memory. Might be tall tales embellished but who knows - “washed ashore from the Armada” is one of them!

I lived near Katie Hopkins and once had the unfortunate pleasure to see her in a supermarket. She was very pretty (on the outside)

I don’t say she is. But let’s look at the bigger picture which is the law versus street justice. And that is something that is currently intended to protect all of us. What would it look like in the hands of someone who thinks that human rights are whites only?

I posted a lovely story on Saturday of a Syrian refugee from 2019 who had become a teacher and couldn't praise the generosity of the Welsh people who had helped her every step of the way in getting a degree.

You need to understand something about these threads @Rainbowsponge. Over a period of at least a couple of years a community has grown up with some ground rules. Everyone is welcome as long as they’re respectful. We don’t insult one another. We really don’t appreciate posters joining the thread and doing so. Please accord us the respect we show each other and have shown you.

Does calling me a ‘far right apologist’ count as an insult given I’m not and nothing I’ve said suggests I am?

I quite liked her on the Apprentice 😮
I can only assume for some people money comes before morals.

You are belligerent if people don’t agree with you. Why do you keep going? I’ve had a disagreement on here about secularism, so what? It’s friendly disagreement.

sorry that was to Rainbowsponge

Me?