A third child has died in Southport.

[Conniebygaslight]

Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

Nether do I blame them and I certainly for one, even though I strongly disagree with the death penalty, certainly don’t feel superior, I myself have some beliefs that certain folk may consider me too thick to be included in democracy for holding. I totally get the emotion, jeez, if someone killed my child I’d burn at the stake just to get the chance ge to throttle them. But… the justice system has no room for vengeance or emotional response and nor should it ever.

You've not been following the long-running scandal of inadequate payments to lawyers taking on legal aid cases, then. I guarantee that if a member of your family were to be charged with a criminal offence you would want them to have a competent lawyer to help them. Calling lawyers money-grabbing for wanting to be paid an adequate amount for doing a skilled professional job helps nobody.

Thank you for this, it’s easy to get swept up in the emotion of it all but you’re completely correct. And I need to get out of the them v us mindset definitely.

It just feels very fraught at the moment, but obviously my judging isn’t going to help anything. I just hope riots don’t break out tonight, I don’t want anymore suffering.

It's on bbc news now the protest, it's people using this tragic event to stir up trouble and racial tensions for their own purpose

Even though there is no evidence that this event was in anyway racially or religiously motivated

I thought the situation couldn’t possibly be any more heartbreaking but now this.

It is not ridiculous to express sympathy for the prepetrator's family. I have done so myself earlier in this thread. From some, they will face censure, as if there is anything they could have done. In this case, censure will be compounded by racism. They were granted asylum having escaped a brutal genocide in the 1990s and have made a new life in the UK. Now they have to confront a huge rupture in their family. You have to be cold-hearted indeed not to feel sympathy for lives marked in this way. All of us, potentially, have the capacity to feel boundless sympathy. It doesn't run out when you think about those who were stabbed.

People have a right to be angry and to protest. There have been two other protests in the last few weeks (in Leeds and after the airport fight with the police) which were considered legitimate in the circumstances. In light of the grotesque murders of these poor children, protesting seems an entirely normal response to the amount of anger people feel and I don't blame them!

People do not have a right to throw bricks at a mosque or to injure police officers who are not doing anything wrong.

They're attacking a mosque for fucks sake. That is not acceptable. And how on earth do you think this feels if your child was one caught up in this incident?

It was only a matter of time looking at other EU countries. Heightened tensions and a horrific event leading to protests

Politicians are not dealing with this

No they fucking don’t. The parents and family members have a right to be angry, the people who witnessed what happened have a right to be angry, your average racist twat has no right at all and using the deaths of CHILDREN to push their own racist, hateful agenda is lower than low.

How do you think those families are feeling right now? Do you think this is something they would want?

FFS. The main religion in Rwanda is Christianity. Why are people attacking a Mosque?! It makes no sense. Those poor, poor families having to deal with this shit.

wtf has this to do with this individual murdering girls?

They have set fire to a police van and are throwing missiles at the police, the BBC are reporting.

Use your head. All we know about the arrested youth is that he was born in Cardiff and his parents came here from Rwanda. Rwanda is almost 100% a Christian country. The youth is likely to be black but not at all likely to be a Muslim.

Why are people protesting outside a mosque? Is this because yesterday there was a huge campaign of misinformation on social media trying to make people believe that the attacker was a Muslim asylum seeker? This has been totally discredited since then. Anybody clinging onto the idea that this is a religious attack is showing themselves up as a racist. Nobody should be supporting them.

Why are people attacking the police? The police had to go into that awful scene yesterday and find out what had happened and arrest the suspect.

What do you think is going on?

It’s not hard to connect

I find it weird that people say the families would not want protests or heckling, how on earth can they know? And just assuming it's far right protesting is ridiculous. Knife crime has been out of control in this country, particularly among children, for far too long, if I saw Starmer I'd want to shout at him to DO something about it too. That might mean a lot more money for schools for PRUs etc. But he does need to make it a priority.

No-one can know who all of the hecklers were and people process grief in different ways. Some of those heckling probably knew those children.

As if the police haven't had enough to deal with today there. Shameful.

@IdaGlossop the fact that his parents are from Rwanda will make this situation even worse. It will very likely turn into a race issue.

My sympathies are with the children, parents and also his parents. This whole thing is awful and the children's parents must feel they are in a living nightmare.

He's been Prime Minister for 25 days! What do you think he could have done in that time to prevent something like this happening?

There are some on MN who have been agitating for this to happen, with the spreading of false information etc.

Lots of us asked for it to stop, someone posted a thread on site stuff asking for it to stop.

Now they have got what they wanted. They don't truly care about those poor children. They just want to vent their hate.

It’s not hard to connect

Easy to make fallacious 'connections'.

I can’t believe that police are being attacked and vehicles set on fire following the vigil.

i could cry with the madness of it. Why? Why attack the police. Where’s the respect for these murdered children? There’s more critically ill in hospital and some morons are using it as an excuse to start rioting.

Just disgraceful.

And just assuming it's far right protesting is ridiculous.

Hundreds of protesters gathered near a local mosque attacking the front of it, throwing bricks, bottles and rocks, many with hoods up and scarves hiding their faces.

Hm, so who do you reckon then?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cevwgqz0x41t

This is so fucking disrespectful.