A third child has died in Southport.

[Conniebygaslight]

Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

quite the technicality though isn’t it.. I don’t want to live along side people who think it’s ok yp clinically remove someone’s life as long as the government says it’s ok. It’s murder. It’s an eye for an eye mentality. Just because the government says it’s ok doesn’t mean it is. I completely understand the emotion and the need for retribution. But handing over the ability to extinguish life to the government … ffs that’s not the answer. Look at the mess they’ve already gotten us into !

Because capital punishment is the preserve of backwards States, invariably advocated for by unthinking morons, and vengeance plays no part in any sort of decent judicial system.

In this county only a couple of years ago (Merseyside) someone tried to blow up the maternity ward of the women's hospital.

Nothing is sacred anymore.

I've noticed a lot of posts saying things like "as a mother", "I am a mother" and I just respectfully wish to say that there are people out there who cannot and never will be mothers, and there are fathers of these girls too. All of whom are equally devastated.

There is no hierarchy of grief between us all. But I am sure that was not the intention of the posters. I am just making the point.

100% well said. Better than I could have put it

You can have sympathy and feelings towards both. It's entirely reasonable and possible. Nowhere have I stated I feel for the perpetrator. I am saying the effects of this are so wide reaching for so many it's almost impossible to comprehend. It's a desperately sad story and of course I feel deep sorrow for the victims both deceased and living and those who love them

I agree. No state cannot uphold the value of human life by taking it.

Totally agree with you on this. People trying to gatekeep grief. Can we ever just feel emotion without some qualifier being attached to it that makes us ‘more special’

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

"Bring back Borstal"

Jesus wept...

It’s really bloody depressing isn’t it.

At the moment we simply don't know whether the perpetrator had ever been in trouble before with the law. He may have been we simply don't know. He may have been known to mental health services again we don't know.

Borstals and children's homes were brutal places where many children were abused and mistreated. Causing a whole raft of problems in the young men who left them .

A knife attack of this kind simply cannot be completely eliminated ever. I accept knife crime of other kinds can be eased with appropriate sentences and more stop and search powers to arrest and detain. There was absolutely nothing to suggest yesterday morning when he left home what he was anoint to go and do. You can simply never stop something like that if someone wants to do it. Thankfully crimes like this are rare

What is Borstal?

Showing your age.

dd1 lives 2 streets over from the stabbing, she says the atmosphere is horrible and tense. They've gone out as there is a protest being organised outside the nearby islamic centre, from what she said it looked like the usual angry young men in hoodies

My understanding is he got in a taxi to travel specifically to the dance studio. For me that signifies intent and he knew what he was doing but I have no doubt there are some on here who will take issue with this view.

Oh god your poor daughter. Honestly these people will use any excuse to go out and shout and scream and drink beers in the street.

I know tensions are running high, and the country is devestated but I can’t imagine any of the people involved, especially the families want this. Let their beautiful children be remembered with love and light rather than whatever is about to happen.

She's just messaged me saying that fireworks are being thrown at police cars

WTF do such yobs think they're doing?

I'm glad they've gone out for the evening, they're planning to stay away while they wait and see what happens

I agree with your post apart from this

They are in no way to blame and in all likelihood couldn't have foreseen what he would do or have prevented it.

We don't know that. Some parents are actually responsible, things don't brew in a vacuum. James and Jennifer Crumbley were convicted and sentences on major criminal charges for a school shooting committed by their child. Parental responsibility goes somewhat with the 'boy' rhetoric. They may not have prevented or foreseen it or they may have, hopefully this will all be revealed in a fair process.

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Imagine that being our son or brother.
If that were my brother, I'm afraid, he'd be no longer my brother.

Nothing has EVER been sacred. That’s a rose tinted perspective. Men have been beating up, murdering, raping and destroying their own wives and children and other people’s children since time began, demanding women leave maternity units to cool their dinners, bursting post natal stitches, leaving women in agony after 12+ pregnancies and births, and yea, there are good, good men out there… but NOTHING has EVER been sacred.

I feel uncomfortable when people refer to people who are in favour of the death penalty as "the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade" or "pitchfork-wavers" or "baying for blood". There's an air of superiority and self-righteousness around it. I'm against the death penalty for various reasons, but I know perfectly measured, sensible people who are in favour of it. Not everyone who wants to bring back the death penalty is frothing at the mouth. And considering what a horrendous crime this was, I can't blame people for posting emotionally-charged responses.

Let's take posts like this with caution, just like the fake name ones. There are clearly people who would love nothing more than stirring up hatred and civil unrest. Not saying this poster is but some are. In all likelihood the community that has been hurt and the group of girls are culturally diverse too. This is not a them and us in any shape or form, this is about finding your own humanity and tsupporting the victims and their families. A candle vigil was planned to support the victims and their families.

I do hope that whatever the motive and circumstances of the killer were, they are throughly examined without sweeping any difficult findings under the carpet and positive change is brought about. That's the best way to remember these innocents girls. 😥

Absolutely sickening. Those poor girls and their poor families. The terror and pain those children went through in their last moments must have been horrific. I just can't imagine what the parents must be going through. I haven't given much thought to the 17 year old because I've still been processing that this could gave been anywhere and anyone. The law will deal with whoever did it.

DD's holiday club have already sent an email out to parents saying they are installing biometric entry to the door to reception and we'll no longer be able to go through the back entrance as it will be kept locked.