A third child has died in Southport.

[Conniebygaslight]

Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

If he does get the usual rap on the knuckles and released no doubt we will have to bear the never-ending cost of name changes to protect him. Who protects their victims?

He is not a miscarriage of justice, FFS

On one hand I understand your point. But the words investigation and evidence just fill me with rage today. Fuck that! He killed those girls. It’s a fact. He doesn’t deserve to breathe again. So so many people are angry. No more risk to our children. Murderers and paedophiles walking free. No. Why do we allow this?! Some things - not all - but some fall into a category where there is just no other answer than to end the criminals life. This is one of them.

Because they think that's what gets the girls.

when you have to use the ‘and everyone else thinks so too’ you have a weak argument

The only thing that stops me saying death sentence is the poor sod who's job it would be to press the button, or do the injection.

Someone up thread said something about these type would never try and attack in a boxing club....well actually you'd never know..., boxers would probably go for the attacker and you'd never hear anything about it beyond the local news.
Men are more likely to be victims of men than women are.

Nowhere is safe anymore, nothing is sacred. Not in this country.

My children are at a church holiday club this week and I imagine it’s very much the same. The thing is, what can reasonably be done to reduce the risk of what thank goodness is an incredibly rare event without making such clubs impossible ir undesirable to run.

Whats happened is so awful. I keep thinking about the children, adults and families of those involved. And how could anyone do it.

What are you talking about? This is a case where three children have died and others have been very seriously injured. If found guilty, why would you expect the assailant to get anything less than a whole life tariff? There is a huge difference between convicting an adult or someone a few months off adulthood and convicting a 10yo, which is what I suspect you're thinking of.

I’m not making an argument for fuck sake. I’m not debating. I’m giving my opinion. I am a mother. And I’m worried for my children. I’m angry. Something needs to be done. Something more…Those poor families.

I don’t believe that’s true. Something like this is incredibly rare. I’m not sure who it helps to catastrophise and say nowhere is safe any more - what are you going to do, stop going out and what kind of life would that be.

I don't care what his name is, I would like to know what his motive was thou.

I do care about the fact that the dignity and safety of girls and women is of little importance nowadays, we are going backwards in terms of rights for females. Digital technology is amplifying terrible, disgusting misogyny. I really couldn't care less about whether a killer heard voices or whether his was brought up wrong, smoked too much or any other excuse.

I care about the total and utter misogyny in the world and also here on Mumsnet.

My thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this shocking atrocity.

I find the bickering on this thread incredibly tasteless.

Most of us are mothers. And most of us don't want to live in a state that executes the mentally ill.

Kneejerk reactions, while understandable, are never the right answer. This is why we don't let the families of victims dictate sentencing - because we aren't savages.

Absolutely shocking. Only just googled to find out what the thread was about. Brings back Dunblane memories. Truly awful for all the families.

@sprigatito i don’t want to live in a state that executes the mentally ill, just one that would consider executing somebody who it can be categorically proven has killed and attacked multiple children.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#:~:text=Most%20nations%2C%20including%20almost%20all,India%2C%20and%20most%20Islamic%20states.

you can find a list of such places here

You've clearly stated that you thought he should be put to death whether or not he is found to be acutely mentally ill. So yes, you do want to live in a state that executes the mentally ill. Which is extremely disturbing.

So are you saying you would agree to this murderer receiving the death penalty then? Or will you just say by default that anyone who murders a small helpless defenceless child must be mentally ill?

The thought of some lowlife scum bag snuffing out the lives of poor little defenceless girls just wanting to have a few hours of fun and a bunch of hand wringing do-gooders falling over themselves to make excuses for him makes me feel sick.

Is there a link to mental health services being shrunk by tories

so you think capital punishment should be brought back? And what if your child is wrongly convicted of aomethng and you have to watch them have their life clinically removed. It’s either ok to murder or it isn’t. It’s not ok just because the fucking government says it it. And yes … these poor families. It’s absolutely horrific and devastating beyond comprehension but fuck me, talk about trying to make it about you! You’re doing performative hysteria here. And I’m not buying it. And im not engaging.

Why should he have years on death row? Just put him in solitary confinement and throw the key away. No doubt human rights lawyers wouldn't have it but that's how it should be for child killers.

I would assume, reading the details on the bbc site that was linked to, the individual will be found to have diminished responsibility and I doubt very much they will be locked up for life in a main stream jail.

What the guy who helped and potentially saved lives?? Yes how awful of him.

Death row IS solitary confinement.

I'm quite sorry the armed police didn't shoot him dead to be honest.