A third child has died in Southport.

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Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

There won't be any.

When criminal charges are brought the media can say who you are and what you're charged with and that's all. If the accused is under eighteen then their identity remains anonymous by law.

After that there will be nothing whatsoever disclosed, including detail as to motive, until the trial.

Yes. What a lot of the hang 'em and flog 'em people forget is that the prison staff have to work with the criminals kept in these overcrowded, tinderbox conditions and the government has a duty to keep them as safe as possible.

That's before we even start on the complex issues involved in releasing convicts who've been kept in such awful conditions with no rehab work possible that they represent a bigger threat to the rest of us after imprisonment than they did at the time of sentencing ...

There are some crimes that should have death as the only fitting punishment. Regardless of any mental illness. I know that many people would agree to this. This man has without doubt committed these horrific crimes and ending his existence on this earth should be the only palatable response. Women have been targeted and mistreated by men for all of history, but surely now in 2024 we can at least take a stand for our helpless children.

Make life an absolute misery for everyone connected with him.

It's an absolutely senseless and horrific tragedy and I just cant imagine what those parents must be going through.

I am heartened by the response of the "swifties for southport" campaign who raised 100k in 24 hours. There are some good people in the world.

Thats not what I want to do or what anybody who wants to know his identity , I think.

People want to know his identity, because why should he kill 3 young children and not have people know who he is?

He also must have known the event was happening as he took a taxi there he didn't just come upon it by accident.

Are you talking about Joel Verite, the window cleaner who was on a break and rushed to help? If so I think you should cut him a bit of slack - it sounds like he was pretty heroic and rushed TO the danger to help, and actually carried one of the child victims out of harms way.
I don’t blame him for having a bit of an adrenaline rush, and think this post is incredibly mean spirited and unfair.

You have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of severe and enduring mental health issues such as paranoid schizophrenia or psychosis, do you?

@DontBiteTheCat People that are not safe to be out in public and are going around murdering little children because they're "having an episode" and could do so at anytime , then imho there is little point keeping them alive. Jail costs too much. I absolutely agree with the death penalty and I'm saving my sympathy for the victims of this absolute abomination and their families.

What you have to hope is that if certain people are called up for jury service the judge is able to get through to them in a way that clearly isn't happening here.

The problem with the jury service is I could easily fake my way in.

I don't believe there is a such a thing as a completely impartial system.

In very disturbing and clearly guilty cases such as this, with stringent criteria being met, I would 100% support the death penalty. Something needs to change.

Which part of 'You will find out when this comes to trial if the judge releases the name' are you struggling with? I think the name will be released anyway when he turns 18, which has to be less than a year away.

They've said on the news that the boy was born in Cardiff, his parents are from Rwanda, they are into karate and are just a regular family. There seems to be no clear reason why he did this. It's just awful.

Christ there are multiple posters here baying for the death penalty for the acutely mentally ill 🤮

How utterly disgusting.

What an awful post. There are lots of people with significant mental health issues that lead perfectly law abiding lives. We should be better treating and managing their illness not killing them.

At what stage do you suggest we just get rid of people who may or may not have psychotic episodes? And I say that as someone who had fairly horrific psychotic episodes linked to post natal depression. Never before nor since but hey not worth being kept alive because I was extremely ill and as a consequence nearly hurt my young baby. I’ve since made a full recovery and would never dream of doing anything but love my children.

I'll cheerfully admit to being of the hang 'em and flog 'em mentality. The answer is to build more prisons. They're clearly needed. I wouldn't object to some form of chemical cosh to be used on prisoners to keep them docile either. They have chosen to put themselves outside society, so society norms should no longer apply

What good is it for the acutely mentally ill child murderers to be kept alive, surely they would be evil or so full of remorse they no longer wanted to live anyway.

Acutely mentally ill are NOT in question. A murderer is.

Do you know how much an execution costs?

Thankfully your opinion doesn’t matter. You are also relating my comment to this situation, which is incorrect. We know nothing about this case yet; mental illness has neither been proven or disproven and I will not speculate on that.

Generally speaking again, It is also possible to have sympathy with two groups of people at once, for example in the Nottingham attacks.

FFS. I am not a lawyer. I assume you're not either. The system is not weighted in favour of the perps. In the UK we have for hundreds of years had a system that people accused of a crime are assumed to be not guilty and it's for the prosecution to prove that they are guilty. In some other countries it's the other way round. Either way, we don't just convict immediately because we think we know what happened. There has to be a thorough investigation and the evidence has to go before a court. The person charged gets legal representation so they understand what they're charged with and the consequences of pleading guilty or not guilty. In lesser cases a magistrate considers the evidence. In a case as serious as this (and any murder charge) it goes before a judge and jury.

Miscarriages of justice do happen. It's incredibly important that we safeguard against those. Not least because the family of victims need to know that the right person has been convicted and it won't be overturned a few years later because of evidence that wasn't considered at the original trial, or because of police mistreatment of the defendant and witnesses, as has happened in the past.

We can't treat some cases differently because they are so awful. We have to follow procedure for all cases. Capital punishment was abolished because there were some terrible cases where people were executed who subsequently turned out to be innocent. Would you want that on your conscience?

Exactly. It doesn’t serve any purpose beyond curiosity and causing misery to anyone connected to him.
He’s in custody let the police and legal system do their job.

Oh get lost. Stop making excuses for child murderers. They aren’t all mentally ill.

I won't get lost, no. Sorry.

If you read the post you replied to a bit more carefully, you'll see that I am not referring to yesterday's killer, I am responding to the posters who have called for the death penalty to be used on people who are known to be acutely mentally ill. This is indefensible. Even the USA pretends it doesn't execute the mentally ill.