A third child has died in Southport.

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Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

A predatory animal will (generally speaking) instinctively attack the weakest prey.
Humans are a predatory species (civilisation is, in part, about controlling our predatory instincts)
Humans who attack others do so out of a failure to control their instincts to attack the weak/vulnerable.

Do you think that psychopaths are insane? Some people enjoy inflicting cruelty and pain on others, they do it by choice and are not mentally unwell, it is a choice

BBC news says he hasn't been charged yet.

And only because the Conservatives ignored for two years that prisons were at 99% capacity, not because they are soft on crime.

The difference is that they weren't caught in the act of killing.

In cases, and I’m not saying this one, but cases where we know after a court case etc that somebody has killed multiple children and we know for a fact they did it because there are multiple witnesses, why wouldn’t we reintroduce the death penalty? What good does it do keeping someone like this in society? I don’t care if they are not of sound mind. Sad for them, but who cares? It doesn’t set any sort of dangerous precedent in cases other than those where there’s undeniable proof that somebody has committed an atrocity. There should be no excuses. You commit an atrocity and there’s categorical proof you took that action even if not of sound mind, you get the death penalty imo

I can’t comprehend the anger and devastation those families must feel. Hope to god the rest of the injured children survive their injuries

You have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of severe and enduring mental health issues such as paranoid schizophrenia or psychosis, do you?

Unless they killed children themselves. Like James Bulgers's killers.

Jamie Bulger's killers were only named after they had been found guilty. Judges occasionally allow that if they deem it to be in the public interest.

The suspect in this case is just that, a suspect, until he's convicted. (I imagine we will be probably learn his name then.) The law does not say "Child suspects can't be named unless they've done something particularly awful, as determined by public opinion, in which case fuck 'em".

Younger than 17 though, weren't they?

Partly because in real life when people are sentenced to death they will rarely be put to death. Instead they often remain on death row for decades while lengthy court proceedings go on and on. All of which is at enormous public expense.

If you’d like to skip all these safeguards then you’d better hope you or someone you love are never in the wrong place at the wrong time, because you could very easily be the next miscarriage of justice victim.

Psychosis etc has not been discussed and imo shouldn’t be attributed here, we don’t know

Also remember how hard it was for the families of the Nottingham attack, they did not feel they got justice

I would not want to wish that on anyone

Do you think there are many people in the UK who aren't gutted by what happened? The photos of the three girls are just too much to bear. But we aren't all demanding the overthrow of due process to satisfy our desire to have names named.

SpudleyLass, I mean this sincerely, take a break from these threads. I am going to take my own advice too as some of this thread horrifies me and makes me wonder where the world is going.

@Rosemarycc https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row/overview you can learn more about how capital punishment works in the real world here.

Every time this kind of horrible crime happens we hear a lot afterwards about lessons being learnt, how they'll be an enquiry to make sure it doesn't happen again. Well, here we are again. No doubt in time they'll be some sort of explanation for why they did this, not one that will make much sense to most of us, but some horrible reasons why they did this. Sadly, all that talking will make not one jot of difference to the parents of these poor children, nor will it stop some other arsehole from trying to do the same thing.

My thoughts go out to the Parents of those little girls their grief must be unimaginable.
The police have asked for no speculation about the incident, so I think MN needs to adhere to that request
It seems very odd to.me that there are social media arseholes milking this incident for all its worth to gain attention for themselves and stir up trouble, Some folks have no empathy and need to have a word with themselves

Spudley FFS. Read the guidelines MNHQ posted.

I'm not speculating.

I cannot stand the way things are in this cruel world. I know its always been a thing, James Bulger, Sarah Payne and baby p are all cases that just make me think why??? Why why why??? The shock never leaves you really. Life goes on for us as outsiders, because it has too, but every now and then when you remember or see a documentary you think how some parents have lived through hell and a trauma that won't ever really heal. How does any parent ever accept that their beautiful sweet child was robbed of their life and inflicted with pain and fear in their final moments. I dont think you can. He's wrecked the lives of so many people for no reason at all.

Publicly commenting on a court case
You might be in contempt of court if you speak publicly or post on social media.
For example, you should not:

• say whether you think a person is guilty or innocent

Now I really am out of this thread.

Something terrible has already happened.

Using today’s yardstick you could say Hitler was mentally ill along with the Nazi hierarchy. What they did to men,women and children was pure evil.

Is the would be kidnapper of Holly Willoughby mentally ill? Is he in a psychiatric hospital or prison? I believe he’s in prison.

Ted Bundy? Robert Black?

Evil exists in our world unfortunately and it can’t all be explained away as MH or psychotic episodes when it suits.

Why do people need to know who he is ? What are you going to do with this info ?