A third child has died in Southport.

[Conniebygaslight]

Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

"Were we back in the 1960s I wonder what excuses would be being trotted out for Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, she no doubt would be under his control etc etc.."

That was actually part of her defence and quite rightly, held no water.

Yes well we're weren't allowed to initially name Jesse Kempson, were we?

Some killers thrive on notoriety, but not all do.

I still think they should be named.

SpudleyLass, just wait. He will be named when restrictions are lifted by a judge. What difference will it make to you for him to be named now?

I’m against lynch mobs and vigilantes meting out their version of justice but do you seriously believe that the people in that area don’t know who he is and by extension his family?

I should imagine his family have been moved. I doubt they knew what he was planning but pretending he isn’t being named in order to protect his family is daft.

I think this case has hit the stratosphere.

He is alive and well.

He should be named.

I'm not personally affected by the stabbings, but I've in the past prided myself on being ''woke'' or ''progressive'' in regards to the criminal justice system.

I suppose seeing people using all sorts of reasons to excuse this man bothers me. I suppose seeing a confirmed child rapist serving only 12 months bothers me.

I think, despite my past beliefs about the justice system, that its far too lenient now.

I believe we're living in an incredibly misogynist era and as a mother of a 6 year old girl, I'm bothered by it.

17 year olds, despite mental illness (which I also have, have restrained myself) are old enough to know right from wrong.

And I think 17 is old enough to be named in clear cut cases like these.

Presumably, by the time this reaches trial (which usually takes months) there’s a good chance he will be 18 and therefore will be named?

I suppose that I am upset that I was a well behaved child, did everything by the rule book and to see somebody who is old enough, despite ''mental illness'' what ever that means, butcher 3 children and not be named immediately, bothers me highly.

I don't think the system is fair anymore.

Society wasn't so quick to make excuses for murder and criminality back then. I'm sure many people regretted the suspension/abolishment of the death penalty by the time they came to trial. They should have both swung. Not every scumbag turns out to be a murderer of course, but along with a life sentence meaning life, I also think they should reinstate borstals for violent young offenders. And have them run by ex-army personnel. .

Yes of course some will know him. But while this horror is so fresh and the anger is so raw, naming him officially right now could fuel something terrible to happen. There are a lot of violent arseholes out there who will take great pleasure is seeking "revenge".

Can you see the current government doing that? They’ve just reduced sentences by 40% What message does that convey other than we are a complete soft touch in this country.

Well then do something about it. Lobby your MP for a change in the law.

I've thought for a while that the recent focus on being understanding of "mental health" is there as long as it's "only" eg depression or anxiety (and preferably not too severe in those instances)

Sometimes it takes forms that are not going to be palatable and are frankly, terrifying, both to the person with it and those around them. They are lifetime and can't be helped with antidepressants or a chat with someone.

Again, no idea if it is the case here, but not all mental health problems are the same, or equal in their effect.

She is she’s talking about it here and seeing if others feel the same

All this stuff adds pressure on law changes

Write to your MP, then. Start a petition. But meanwhile, the law says under 18s aren't named.

I agree. And mental health seems to be used as an excuse far too often these days. How about just acknowledging that some people are dangerous evil people.

Mate, my MP changed recently to Labour.

Check my post history - its not a party I'm happy with but I have messaged my new MP about SEN provision because my daughter is and I have received no response.

I love this country and want it to be better. I'm just at the point that I feel it doesn't matter any more.

Wrong'uns seem to get away with it.

Yes it was but I think that today, certainly in the MN court, she might get away with it, we have lost the idea of evil.

Not for murder or the most serious sexual and violent offences.

No they haven't.

There is a plan (which was initiated under the Tories) to release non violent criminals early - when they have served 40% of their sentence rather than the usual 50%.

This is because the prisons are full (thanks to the Tories) and if they don't do this there will be nowhere to put violent criminals.

Don't believe what Robinson and Farage tell you.

Unless they killed children themselves. Like James Bulgers's killers.

I have so many thoughts on this but feel I would be crucified if I perfectly worded how I felt the world is currently going.

So I don't

I do feel a 17 year old is old enough to be named when they have definitely killed 3 young children though, regardless of illness.

It's terribly sad seeing their pictures, so much life ahead of them now cut short.

The speculation online everywhere is wild. They've put out that the name being mentioned is not the right one.

It's hard to know what's the right thing to do , whether name or not, either way the speculation doesn't stop. We live in a world where 'we' want answers immediately and not give any time for investigations.

With an the videos online from people who recorded at the time, it's strange there's none of him after the police arrested him.

Please God the other children and adults are OK.

James Bulger's killers weren't named until they had been found guilty. It's the judge's decision, and naming 10yos was extremely controversial at the time.

I honestly am starting to think we should bring back the death penalty for cases like this. I’m sick of hearing about little kids being butchered by low life’s. If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt and they’ve murdered a child then they should be strung up.

Venables and Thompson were not named until the trial had concluded.

That's shocking 😲 why would anyone buy that for their kid.
I suppose God only knows what weapons the parents owned.

But I fully agree zombie knifes and crossbows should be illegal