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So why do people like trump??

141 replies

Bucees · 21/07/2024 22:07

I can clearly see why people don't like trump but why on earth do people actually like him?

Can't even work it out?

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PhillipMontyTomato · 22/07/2024 07:28

Molly70 · 22/07/2024 01:51

Exactly. Elon Musk is donating $45 million a month to the Trump Campaign and he is far, far from stupid

He just thinks there will be something in it for him

MelainesLaugh · 22/07/2024 07:29

He’s passionate about his country and wants the best for it. If only some of our politicians loved the UK as deeply

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 22/07/2024 07:30

vodkaredbullgirl · 21/07/2024 22:16

I wonder how long he will milk it, after been shot at.

Forever.

CarmelaBrunella · 22/07/2024 07:31

It's fashionable to knock the UK and disparage it. It gets tiresome on here sometimes.

user1471505356 · 22/07/2024 07:32

We did vote for Boris once.

CarmelaBrunella · 22/07/2024 07:33

user1471505356 · 22/07/2024 07:32

We did vote for Boris once.

The alternative was Jeremy Corbyn.

LauderSyme · 22/07/2024 07:37

user1471505356 · 22/07/2024 07:32

We did vote for Boris once.

Speak for yourself.

x2boys · 22/07/2024 07:38

momtoboys · 22/07/2024 01:02

Because they are imbeciles.

How is this answer helpful ?
OK we now have a labour government, but its the kind of answer, posters gave when wondering when Conservative were repeatedly being voted in ,neither helpful or informative and makes massive generalisations.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 22/07/2024 07:40

dottiehens · 22/07/2024 07:23

I hate the sanctimonious left. The Democrats are hypocrites and Trump call them out each time. Not sure I like Trump that much but I would vote against the Democrats. I do not want the dreadful squad getting stronger or the US to become like California. As for Europe you really think people would vote thinking of you before their own interests. That is laughable.

Absolutely, it's like on here recently re the '2 child benefit cap' the sanctimonious far left "how dare you try and control how many children people have, this is EUGENICS!! working people should accept taxes will continue to rise without end to pay the benefit bill!!!"
They don't understand no one is being stopped from having children, they just have to support them themselves. But that's apparently evil far right thinking.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 07:40

Isn't he 'going to make America great again?' That appeals to folk who thought it was great in the past, you know those who don't mind homophobia, racism, sexism, and who forget that life wasn't that great at all for many American people. The minute he mentioned building a wall was a turn off for those of us who remember another European wall and how 'successful' that was in terms of suffering and death (and yes, I know the reasons for building that wall were complex).

user1471505356 · 22/07/2024 07:41

I hindsight Jeremy may have been a better option.

CarmelaBrunella · 22/07/2024 07:42

user1471505356 · 22/07/2024 07:41

I hindsight Jeremy may have been a better option.

I think it would have been a complete fiasco, but opinions vary.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 07:45

MessinaBloom · 22/07/2024 04:42

@Molly70

Exactly. Elon Musk is donating $45 million a month to the Trump Campaign and he is far, far from stupid

Elon Musk may be not be stupid, but seems to very far from wise.

It's possible to be clever and stupid at the same time.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 07:46

user1471505356 · 22/07/2024 07:32

We did vote for Boris once.

Did 'we'?

VerySadCase · 22/07/2024 07:47

CuriousGeorge80 · 22/07/2024 01:46

I hate, detest Trump. But it’s unhelpful to just say they are all idiots. It stops a proper analysis of why millions upon millions of people will vote for him. They aren’t all stupid and it’s unhelpful to suggest they are. I don’t pretend to fully understand American politics but there are already some really interesting posts in this discussion explaining reasons why people vote for trump.

It’s similar to the brexit discussion. It’s unhelpful to just say anybody who voted for Brexit is stupid or racist. That’s just not true. I voted remain and was devastated by the result, but I’m also from a part of the north that has seen significant economic decline since I was a child - loss of jobs, no investment, high streets ruined etc. It’s not hard to see how people living there were seduced by the promises made, by the passion of the people leading the remain campaign.

Dismissing all of these people as stupid means we don’t examine the actual issues that lead to the rise of people like Trump, Farage and Le Pen. So we don’t address them and the divide and misery grows and their cut of the vote increases.

I think it's entirely possible to simultaneously believe that people are stupid for voting Trump while also investing time and effort in understanding how and why those stupid people are so vulnerable to his manipulation. The two are not mutually exclusive.

C1N1C · 22/07/2024 07:49

Because he's against Prince Harry

SquirrelSoShiny · 22/07/2024 07:49

Meowzabubz · 21/07/2024 22:21

I remember driving through Kansas in 2016 and it really clicking why. It is very working class vs middle/upper class. The democrats are very focused on 'people issues'. Social issues. The people in red states don't really have that privilege, they're worried about practical issues that impact them and their families in their day to day lives.

They're worried about tax because how do they run their farm if it gets to high? What jobs do they if fracking gets banned and it's the only industry in the area? The local school is only open 3-4 days a week because there isn't enough money to hire teachers, but the government is requiring what little money there is be diverted to social education rather than recruitment. Access to internet connection is poor. The local supermarket only gets delivery once every 3 weeks. The whole town is on well water that's contaminated by led. Fentynal is killing their youth in huge numbers.

They have all these very real issues of poverty that keep getting substantially worse, so it feels like a slap in the face when they see things like immigration or lgbtq+ held up as a number one issue.

But Donald Trump? He takes the time to speak to them on their level.

This.

People felt richer under Trump and their jobs felt safer.

Many people are tired of performative wokery it's why populism is rising. When will the left learn?

Editing to add - many people in Europe don't understand how harsh life is in the USA and how socially conservative most people are. Too many people watching Twitter and Tiktok for their view of USA.

CarmelaBrunella · 22/07/2024 07:50

C1N1C · 22/07/2024 07:49

Because he's against Prince Harry

Is that why people like him?

LaWench · 22/07/2024 07:53

I thought it was because he wasn't a politician and basically a wrecking ball to everything that had gone before. A lot of people are unhappy and want a change.

He's wise to play to his base too even though he's never believed one word of it. He's just after power and greed for his own arrogant inflated ego.

After many seasons of the Apprentice you learn to know how to sell to the people who will buy his bullshit.

tuvamoodyson · 22/07/2024 07:55

Eyesopenwideawake · 21/07/2024 22:16

Because he appeals to their prejudices. Sadly.

Exactly, he says what the red necks want to hear. Despicable man I truly can’t understand why women, especially, would want to vote for him.

tinytemper66 · 22/07/2024 07:57

I wouldn't want to be a woman of child bearing years in the USA. I wouldn't have an abortion myself, but I also wouldn't stop someone from having one. The only person who should be in charge of their body is the person themselves.
Women will have few rights when it comes to their bodies if he is elected again.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 07:58

tuvamoodyson · 22/07/2024 07:55

Exactly, he says what the red necks want to hear. Despicable man I truly can’t understand why women, especially, would want to vote for him.

Many of them are women who would deny other women basic healthcare. These are not women who support other women, these are women who support only themselves.

haveatye · 22/07/2024 08:02

It's populism. People feel disenfranchised and as if there's always a reason why conventional politics fails to deliver for them.

Trump seems successful and colourful and as if he's a different thing from trad politics. They think if they support him, some of the gold sheen will rub off on them. They want a simple story in which they deserve good things and if they don't have them, it's the fault of a bad guy who will be beaten by their hero.

I do feel contempt for Trump supporters, they support him because they can't deal with the complexity of the world.

Toastghost · 22/07/2024 08:13

I am not American and if I was I wouldn’t vote for him but he does have charisma and says the things that a lot of people want to hear.

I see a lot of propaganda from both sides really. I wish it wish it was in our news a bit less!

RedToothBrush · 22/07/2024 08:16

Meowzabubz · 21/07/2024 22:21

I remember driving through Kansas in 2016 and it really clicking why. It is very working class vs middle/upper class. The democrats are very focused on 'people issues'. Social issues. The people in red states don't really have that privilege, they're worried about practical issues that impact them and their families in their day to day lives.

They're worried about tax because how do they run their farm if it gets to high? What jobs do they if fracking gets banned and it's the only industry in the area? The local school is only open 3-4 days a week because there isn't enough money to hire teachers, but the government is requiring what little money there is be diverted to social education rather than recruitment. Access to internet connection is poor. The local supermarket only gets delivery once every 3 weeks. The whole town is on well water that's contaminated by led. Fentynal is killing their youth in huge numbers.

They have all these very real issues of poverty that keep getting substantially worse, so it feels like a slap in the face when they see things like immigration or lgbtq+ held up as a number one issue.

But Donald Trump? He takes the time to speak to them on their level.

This.

Trump lost the presidential election despite improving the economy. That's unheard of in US politics. That's what's generally valued above all else. And it has to be noted that Biden's time in office is marred by being financially tough. I think I saw a piece on the BBC last week talking about the cost of living crisis there and how groceries had increased by 25% under Biden.

Then there's the class thing. Trump is in the elite class but he's also anti establishment. He attacks the establishment and the middle class managerial liberals who are mainly coastal based and democrats. The working class don't have daily contact with the elite, but they hate their bosses and feel looked down on. This is educational and cultural. Trump plays a classic divide and conquer hand.

And don't forget the religious elements to this. Christian America is alien to us. Trump is willing to give the Christian Right what they want. He doesn't represent the wholesome values of the Christian Right, but that's fine because he understands their values and supports their values and is sadly given a free pass because he's a man. They are willing to overlook his personal life 'for the greater good' of their values.

Meanwhile the Democrats pushing Critical Race Theory and Gender Identity is seen as an assault on freedom and racist to whites. We interpret this as being purely racist but it's not that simple. Many Americans don't seem themselves as racist and are upset at it being implied that they are and thus interpret Black Lives Matter as being a racist organisation which is a threat to society.

Finally you also have to understand the mentality of the US. It doesn't do European style soft socialism at all. Not even if you are Democrat. Thus people who are in dire circumstances are there because of three main things according to American logic - because they don't work hard, because they deserve it for poor life choices and because the President is managing the economy poorly (usually associated with taxing too hard).

It's far more simplistic and cold thinking that we accept in Europe. In Europe we see the value in public health because it reduces poverty and crime. The US doesn't make this connection. It just sees each individual as responsible for themselves. Western Europe moral values are tied to helping others and collectively looking after each other whereas US moral values are tied to religious belief or new ideas about race or gender. These are competing ideologies and world views that are crucial to understand - and actually never is grounded in evidence particularly.

Black Lives Matter was originally founded as a Marxist organisation. This can be thrown back at the Democrats. The irony being that the mainstreaming of BLM to a wider Democrat audience actually stripped these Marxist ideas out to a huge degree and left it with only the identity elements of the movement being pushed and promoted (because that's how terrified even Democrat America is of the mere concept of socialism).

Thus the values ordinary people have in a America are widely different to the UK. They seem the cost of living issues differently and look at Trump as representing and presiding over better times and the religious rights core see him supporting traditional values even if he personally is totally at odds with those values. He will give them their judges to protect their way of life whereas the Democrats are seeking to undermine many of their values.

Once you put yourself in that mindset it's easier to comprehend.

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