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It is unacceptable that Domestic Violence increases when England play football

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whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 15:06

This article from the independent makes sobering reading. Whether the England team Win or Lose the studies quoted in the article show domestic violence increases when they play a major match.

Independent Article

What can we do as a society to help stop this?

Take care everyone

The dark truth behind England football and the ‘high stakes’ on and off the pitch

England till I die. For some, it’s not just a football phrase, it’s the cold, hard truth. Sonia Twigg reveals how football can be a catalyst for domestic abuse

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/england-football-domestic-abuse-survivor-b2578241.html

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BellaTheDarkOverlord · 14/07/2024 16:56

I worked this week during last game when they won. As soon as the game finished 8 emergencies dropped in, all violence.

WithACatLikeTread · 14/07/2024 16:57

@TwinklesToes The Welsh have their share of morons as do any other nation. Cardiff city fans or even Swansea are often the ones the police look out for when they play football due to the hooliganism. It is well known the English fans have improved especially since the police have cracked down on certain hooligans so stop with the generalisations.

ShiteRider · 14/07/2024 17:02

MonsteraMama · 14/07/2024 15:30

British football fans are a fucking embarrassment wherever they go, they have an appalling reputation for a reason.

I don't know what the solution is. Confining all football fans to a human zoo until the match is over so they can behave like animals in a controlled environment?

I went to a football match recently (a promise to someone who really likes it, that I would give it a fair go), they close roads and separate fans after a match and I just think why the fuck aren’t any of the genuine fans ashamed of and trying to change this?

I see it to an extent with some other sport (which is also awful) but once the whistle is blown everyone is fine. Why is it that football legitimises this behaviour?

marcopront · 14/07/2024 17:11

AquaFurball · 14/07/2024 16:13

Oddly enough don't see a similar trend over the cricket or curling

I am fairly certain after an India Pakistan cricket match there would be an increase in domestic violence but it will not be reported because of the way domestic violence is viewed in India.

Emmylou22 · 14/07/2024 17:14

It's always women who are the most horrified about domestic abuse. In my experience, men just don't feel angry enough about it. It's like when it was kicking off in the states about the abortion laws. I only heard women getting angry about this. Men seemed completely unfazed by it. Men need to start getting angry and calling out this behaviour.

I agree with PP there are a lot of drugs around football now. I've seen some hideous behaviour at games since COVID.

pikkumyy77 · 14/07/2024 17:16

The cult of the fan is also a problem. Look at all the “not my nigeling” going on in this thread. “My dad really loves this pastime” does not excuse near legendary mob behavior. Drunk and disorderly is a serious problem in the UK with tons of apologists here at mumsnet. There is always someone or something else to blame other than toxic, entitled, masculinity. Not the footy! The drinking! Not the drinking! The Bad man.

Pubs, football, mob passion, all work together to legitimize violence against women and children. If these are not sites for healthy socialization they are going to be breeding grounds for unhealthy individual and mob behavior.

Hawkerslife · 14/07/2024 17:17

My mum was a police officer when I was growing up and I remember her telling me that Christmas Day was the busiest for DV call outs.

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 14/07/2024 17:19

We could ban England from ever playing matches

OR

We could recognise that make on female violence is never far from the surface and should be discussed in schools from a very early age.

How ever I know a lot of mothers wouldn’t like their little princes told they are potentially very dangerous to women

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 17:19

BellaTheDarkOverlord · 14/07/2024 16:56

I worked this week during last game when they won. As soon as the game finished 8 emergencies dropped in, all violence.

That's awful. Thanks for doing your job to help them.

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Nw22 · 14/07/2024 17:20

@WithACatLikeTread but as a pp said you don’t get increased dv after a cricket match or tennis. It is football fans

Lizzypet · 14/07/2024 17:21

The vast majority of the problems in my DC school class (primary school) start with football. Arguments, fights, disruption of lessons, but the school absolutely refuse to ban it. It seems sacred. About 2/3 of the yard is taken over by a football pitch & anyone who doesn't want to play it has to squash into the remaining third 🤷🏻

renthead · 14/07/2024 17:26

Most of the research on this has been done in the UK and North America. There was one interesting Canadian study that showed Canadian football (like American football) playoff games were associated with an increase in DV calls, but hockey playoffs were not. So there does seem to be an association with certain sports, but I don't think this is just a UK problem by any means. Men are violent towards women the world over. They just haven't done the research on this particular problem.

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 14/07/2024 17:43

Lizzypet · 14/07/2024 17:21

The vast majority of the problems in my DC school class (primary school) start with football. Arguments, fights, disruption of lessons, but the school absolutely refuse to ban it. It seems sacred. About 2/3 of the yard is taken over by a football pitch & anyone who doesn't want to play it has to squash into the remaining third 🤷🏻

Good!!! Why the hell should a sport be banned from school?

The issue is the behaviour of the children - not football

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 14/07/2024 17:45

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 14/07/2024 16:09

You can’t stop it in isolation.

Until domestic violence is stopped, then there will always be national event that spark it off.

It’s not surprising it rises. There’s a lot of excitement and a lot of alcohol. Positive or negative outcome means heightened emotions plus drink and it’s a powder keg waiting to go off.

Domestic Abuse needs tackling properly across the board.

I agree. It should be discussed in schools from year 1

frozendaisy · 14/07/2024 17:46

BellaTheDarkOverlord · 14/07/2024 16:56

I worked this week during last game when they won. As soon as the game finished 8 emergencies dropped in, all violence.

This is just so wrong.

And the knowledge it's expected somehow makes it worse if that's possible

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 17:47

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 14/07/2024 17:43

Good!!! Why the hell should a sport be banned from school?

The issue is the behaviour of the children - not football

If the children can't control themselves playing football then no one plays football

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Lizzypet · 14/07/2024 17:51

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 14/07/2024 17:43

Good!!! Why the hell should a sport be banned from school?

The issue is the behaviour of the children - not football

I'm not suggesting that it be banned as a sport during PE, but if any other playtime activity was causing as many problems I reckon it would be banned, or at least suspended until the children showed they could control themselves around it.

Thelondonone · 14/07/2024 17:51

MonsteraMama · 14/07/2024 15:30

British football fans are a fucking embarrassment wherever they go, they have an appalling reputation for a reason.

I don't know what the solution is. Confining all football fans to a human zoo until the match is over so they can behave like animals in a controlled environment?

This simply isn’t true. My dad spent yesterday visiting stately homes in Potsdam and him and his friends have spent the afternoon in a cafe todays this to be quite Frank, ignorant attitude doesn’t help. Yes, for men that are shitbags, the booze makes them worse but it’s not football. We need to put support in place so women can leave them at anytime so they aren’t around when football is played.

Oversharingnamechanged · 14/07/2024 18:07

Thank you for this post @whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil 💐

My mother ended up in hospital the night Southgate missed the penalty. We had extreme DV growing up but England playing was a level of fear and trauma as a child I can't explain, even now, I can't watch or follow anything about the football without feeling sick to my stomach.
I was always told to keep my mouth shut about what was happening inside our house but had a teacher or school ran some kind of assembly to let us know they'd be a safe space I'd have caved 100% over the football seasons.

My mother was strangled and had her nose and cheek bones broken because of one disgusting little man's anger over a fucking game. I've thought so much over the years what would help women such as my mum during the England games, as a child I would wonder why there aren't police walking the streets listening for disturbances but as an adult I realise that's not viable. I definitely think more awareness to the public, if you hear anything ring the police, do not ignore.
I'd have domestic abuse helpline posters in every public women's bathroom etc, huge social media campaigns about keeping women and children safe.

Women's safety just isn't a concern when it comes to public spending, which when you consider how many women die per week at the hands of their partner or ex, it really should be.

The things that would truly keep us safe would cost millions if not billions.
Women aren't worth that. Children aren't.
We are all disposable.

In a dream world the police would visit partners of those with previous for DV and discuss safety options before the season starts. I'd have officers talk to children and advise them on their safety also, women you can't force to leave out of fear and I get that, but the children don't make that choice, they should be given the opportunity to prioritise their safety, but I doubt many would leave their mother or go against their parents and share their fears. But they should know that there are services to help. However those services need funding correctly which is where that also falls down.
Imagine every child in a DV situation telling teachers, teachers then involving SS, the system would buckle from pressure within hours.

The only way I think we can keep future women safe is teaching our sons to never lay a finger on their partner and teaching our daughters the second you feel scared of your partner the relationship is done, you come home, never ever see them again.

My sons know if they ever even swore in temper at a girlfriend they'd be in serious trouble with my oh and I. My daughter will know that she is to only ever feel respected and safe or she is to come home.

(Before someone says women can hurt men and men can also be dv victims I know that but this I've discussed here is specifically for m2f violence.
My sons obviously know to never ever tolerate abuse from a partner also.)

Sicario · 14/07/2024 18:14

The statistics speak for themselves.

(Some) Men will use any excuse to perpetrate violence against women and girls.

"I did it because..."
"I was wound up because we won/lost..."
"She knew I was going to be hyped up..."
"It was her fault because..."

Any and every excuse for pathetic man-babies who are unable to regulate their emotions and keep their hands to themselves.

I want to burn the patriarchy down to the ground.

Munter · 14/07/2024 18:16

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DinnaeFashYersel · 14/07/2024 18:20

It's the same when Celtic play Rangers.

Not just an England problem

MinnieCauldwell · 14/07/2024 18:20

TwinklesToes · 14/07/2024 16:06

I take exception to this, English fans are a disgrace. Welsh fans won the fair play award during Euro 2015 and the Mayor of Bordeaux actually said he would welcome any Welsh fans/people back to his town.

Every time England win our street gets vandalised by the morons from the local pub. I hope they lose. Pubs allowed to be open till 1.00am, it will be a nigjtmare

JenniferBooth · 14/07/2024 18:24

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 14/07/2024 15:42

I was telling dh this the other day - that dv massively goes up with an England match and he scoffed at me and said what a load of crap, where did you read that?
Next day, our county police put sonething on fb about it and all of a sudden he took it more seriously.
It is shocking and all l can think about when watching the national team now.

According to an article i read yesterday DV goes up by 38% when they lose and by 26% when they win or draw

Funkyslippers · 14/07/2024 18:25

SonicTheHodgeheg · 14/07/2024 16:07

I was surprised to read on here that DV increases more with a win rather than loss.

The reports I've read say the other way round

But I was discussing this with dd today. I'm going to look into what I can do to try and raise awareness for this as it's awful to think there are so many women out there probably terrified tonight whatever the result