TAAT. Where does the north end?

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Where?

Sheffield? Birmingham? Below the Humber, Lincolnshire?????

I live in Sheffield. I think we are bottom of the North. Nottingham and Derbyshire which touch on us are Midlands.

Manchester is north but is Cheshire?

😮 well that's you off my Christmas card list

I'm under 10 miles from Sheffield and further up.

Turns out this is my hill to die on 😁

Yeah, but due to its coldness, it’s a little island of the north in the not north.

My opinion....

Its actually goes...
South
Midlands
Yorkshire
North
South Scotland
How much more Scotland is there???
North Scotland

I'm not sure whether to the Lancashire as a joint thing thing with Yorkshire or to let it be in the North.

I'd agree that the southern boundary of The North of England^ is the Humber Estuary (bit also those odd bits of the East Riding of Yorkshire on the south bank around Goole; then Sheffield, the Dark Peak (ie; north of the Hope Valley), Congleton, Macclesfield, Marple, Glossop, Manchester.

I'm a Londoner by birth, who adopted Yorkshire 25 years ago. I've been thinking about this a long time.

I think it's lower than the Humber, Grimsby must be North surely?

Watford Gap. Obviously.

I'm a northerner who lived in the west country for a couple of decades.

Other option is the diagonal line from Humber to Severn that more or less splits the country in two.

Only as I learned it's actually more complicated than that.

York and Harrogate are southern towns in outlook that happen to be in the north. Plymouth is a northern town in much of the way it runs (apart from the weather obviously) but in the south.

And then there's Bristol which is, well, Bristol. Plus when I lived there Exeter was a very wealthy town with some surprisingly (to me at the time) socialist tendencies.

And this is all very anglocentric....the Scots would have a different take again.

And I have also decided that from now on Greater Manchester where we currently reluctantly reside is now going to be Not North in our house. Newcastle is proper north. And possibly Lancaster.

The geographical north is above a line from the Mersey to the Humber.
The financial north is above a line from the Humber to the Severn.

Hmm well... that's quite a northern come-back, I must admit. You must be culturally northern, living in the borderlands.
I think you fulfill the criteria and we can squeeze you in

Barnsley isn’t far from Sheffield and if you ask most people it’s do a northern accent they try and do a Barnsley accent because it’s so broad Yorkshire.

I have lived all over England (midlands, S, SE, SW, NW, NE), and had one set of grandparents as up north anything above Winchester, or the M4 at a push, and one set considering anything south of York as down south.

the north starts above a line that is southern edged with Cheshire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire. I’ll forgive those that think the north is Cumbria, Durham and Northumberland but there’s no way that Lancashire and Yorkshire are midlands…

I find it really weird that people think Sheffield doesn’t really count as Northern. If you grew up there in the 80s you were in no doubt about which side of the divide it was on.

What about Lincoln? I'd probably have said North but having checked, my definition of a straight line from the Dee estuary leaves it in the Not North.

Lincoln is Not North.

I grew up there in the same time. I think of it as ‘just squeezing into the north’

It’s the border state. Needs passport control really😁

This!!

Try telling anyone in any Yorkshire Riding that they are not northern. It's a mindset as much as geography. It's that Region's culture and (arm's reach) relationship with Westminster.

Sheffield is the centre of the known universe.
That is all.

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I’m on the Notts/Derbyshire border and we’re definitely East Midlands. However, I’d say we identify as more like northerners than southerners.

I always wonder with these discussions about places like east anglia - is that north, south or midlands? Of just plain old east?

How do the road signs confirm?

Because they say "the south" and "the north"? I've had this argument used on me loads and I never understand it because in Manchester or nearby it says the south - not meaning that from there is south but that if you want to go south, you go that way!

This is a subject close to my heart. I moved from Derbyshire dales (staffs border) to Northamptonshire and always considered myself to be from the midlands. Not northern at all. Everyone took great pleasure telling me I was northern because I was above the Watford gap. I now work for a southern team in a national company and am the "resident northerner". I'm not even northern 😫😫😫

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Hatfield and the North. It has become a joke, there was a band named after it. Don't take it too seriously.

on the M11 I think it is or maybe M25 a sign says The North

i have never ventured past it so I would definitely say it starts at that sign. Where it ends well I can't fathom 😂

I was thinking "at Scotland, surely".

Wimp. It's just the breeze off the North Sea. 🙂