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Thread 2. Starmer, return of the Labour government

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L1ttledrummergirl · 12/07/2024 01:24

Yes, lame but the last thread was nearly full.

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Notonthestairs · 25/07/2024 19:15

Well he'd want them to feel welcome.

Saucery · 25/07/2024 19:21

Poor Suella. Just couldn’t compete with the emptiness of soul needed to remove pictures painted to help comfort traumatised children. Must. Try. Harder.

prettybird · 25/07/2024 20:17

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2024 13:02

From Dominic Grieve

Ten years ago this month that David Cameron dispensed with my services as AG. I had told him that his plans to scrap the HRA and threaten to leave the ECHR if it proved incompatible with his British Bill of Rights were unworkable and would not help solve our security or immigration challenges one bit. So it proved. When published, his plans were quickly shown to be flawed and never implemented. Ten years on, despite the repeated huffing and puffing, we still have both the HRA and the ECHR. This despite having had Suella Braverman as both Home Secretary and as a parody AG.

One might have hoped that the penny would have dropped that the policy serves no useful purpose, as any minor benefit will be entirely outweighed by the downsides. We must be thankful that Rishi Sunak seems to have realised this as did the last AG Victoria Prentis.

So it is depressing to see candidates for the Conservative leadership such as Tom Tugendhat return yet again to this theme. It has become a kind of ritual, without which no candidate feels they could be acceptable to the membership. And that I am afraid also shows how the Conservative Party continues to be mired in ideological fantasies that lead directly to its wipe out this year. For a Party whose members used to laugh at the inanity of Labour supporters singing the Red Flag at the end of their conferences, it is a sad reflection on where common sense has gone.

I see that Dominic Grieve has got the hang of Twitter X now Grin

itsgettingweird · 25/07/2024 20:36

absquatulize · 25/07/2024 19:53

According to the socialists at yougov among voters under 30 the combined vote for Reform and Tory was less than that for the Greens.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election

OOh I like those stats Grin

BIossomtoes · 25/07/2024 21:33

itsgettingweird · 25/07/2024 20:36

OOh I like those stats Grin

Me too.

Notonthestairs · 25/07/2024 21:43

absquatulize · 25/07/2024 19:53

According to the socialists at yougov among voters under 30 the combined vote for Reform and Tory was less than that for the Greens.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election

Fascinating breakdown - particularly struck by this -

However, while previously there had also been a gradual decrease in the Labour share as age rises, in this election, around the same proportion of all age groups below 50 voted for Labour (41% to 46%). For the over 50s the proportion voting Labour decreases more steeply with 34% of 50-59s backing Labour, 28% of 60-69s and just 20% of those 70 or older.
The Liberal Democrats were backed similarly across age groups, the Green Party did a lot better with younger voters while Reform UK did better amongst older voters.
The median age of a Labour voter is now 46 and the median age of a Conservative voter is 63. For the Lib Dems it is 48, Reform UK 56, and Greens 39.

BIossomtoes · 25/07/2024 22:08

I’m very pleased and proud to be one of the 20% of Labour voters over 70 along with almost all my friends.

Piggywaspushed · 25/07/2024 22:14

The Times had a ridiculous headline today about more young people voting Reform than Tory. And yet the whole article was about the fact that way more voted Green.

HannibalHeyes · 25/07/2024 22:49

Jennifer Robinson

@welshroots

#politicslive What a decision the Conservatives have to make for new LEADERS
JENRICK - Helped Tory Donor avoid paying tax on massive housing development, saving him 45 million
PATEL Unofficial meetings in Israel and sacked for Bullying
BRAVERMAN - Whipping up Culture Wars
CLEVERLY- Breaking Ministerial Code and thinking it funny to Drug Woman, Degree in Hospitality
TUGENDHAT - Willing to tear up Good Friday Agreement BADENOCH - Computer Hacker
Oh my goodness, Spoilt for Choice

x.com

https://x.com/welshroots

itsgettingweird · 26/07/2024 03:42

HannibalHeyes · 25/07/2024 22:49

Jennifer Robinson

@welshroots

#politicslive What a decision the Conservatives have to make for new LEADERS
JENRICK - Helped Tory Donor avoid paying tax on massive housing development, saving him 45 million
PATEL Unofficial meetings in Israel and sacked for Bullying
BRAVERMAN - Whipping up Culture Wars
CLEVERLY- Breaking Ministerial Code and thinking it funny to Drug Woman, Degree in Hospitality
TUGENDHAT - Willing to tear up Good Friday Agreement BADENOCH - Computer Hacker
Oh my goodness, Spoilt for Choice

And Mordaunt.

Oh no - she can't stand up and fight Wink

newnamethanks · 26/07/2024 06:56

They are absolutely barking, what a selection. Farage and Ed Davey must be rubbing their hands with glee. I'm surprised there are enough Tory members left to cobble together a vote for any of the above. Ah well 🍿

absquatulize · 26/07/2024 07:56

newnamethanks · 26/07/2024 06:56

They are absolutely barking, what a selection. Farage and Ed Davey must be rubbing their hands with glee. I'm surprised there are enough Tory members left to cobble together a vote for any of the above. Ah well 🍿

I thought Lee Andersen yesterday had done his best to ensure that Reform receive less votes next time around. Or at least don't secure the votes of those right of centre voters in Shire counties that any party has to win to form a government?

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2024 07:59

Dunno. There's a MN thread on the police actions. Quite a few LA sound alikes.

absquatulize · 26/07/2024 08:04

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2024 07:59

Dunno. There's a MN thread on the police actions. Quite a few LA sound alikes.

But they probably voted Reform this time, to win more seats one needs to tap into a different part of the electorate. Marianne Le Pen has realised that in France, her father never did.

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2024 08:10

Unfortunately Anderson’s views are depressingly common. His comments yesterday are likely to have garnered a lot of support.

L1ttledrummergirl · 26/07/2024 08:38

Dd had just finished expressing her horror at the behaviour of the police in the first incident, then they showed the footage of the other people being arrested. We were both a bit wtf, then up pops LA to say those police are heroes!
He's fucking insane if he thinks that behaviour was heroic. A hero would have kept their cool in that situation, not reacted badly as the police involved did.

If that is how reform wants to govern they need to make it clear in future elections.

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DuncinToffee · 26/07/2024 09:39

HannibalHeyes · 25/07/2024 22:49

Jennifer Robinson

@welshroots

#politicslive What a decision the Conservatives have to make for new LEADERS
JENRICK - Helped Tory Donor avoid paying tax on massive housing development, saving him 45 million
PATEL Unofficial meetings in Israel and sacked for Bullying
BRAVERMAN - Whipping up Culture Wars
CLEVERLY- Breaking Ministerial Code and thinking it funny to Drug Woman, Degree in Hospitality
TUGENDHAT - Willing to tear up Good Friday Agreement BADENOCH - Computer Hacker
Oh my goodness, Spoilt for Choice

Mel Stride has entered the race as well

pointythings · 26/07/2024 09:42

A fine selection of the hopeless, the hapless and the witless, with a leavening of evil.

Zonder · 26/07/2024 09:44

Don't they need 10 MPs to back then in order to be able to stand for the leadership? 4 standing so far so that's at least 40 MPs. Wonder if there will be any women.

Notonthestairs · 26/07/2024 10:12

I can't imagine Badenoch, Braverman and Patel not standing. If nothing else they will want to be involved in the backroom deals king/queen making at conference.

RafaistheKingofClay · 26/07/2024 10:16

https://x.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1816517470452109544

Talking of the hopeless, hapless and witless Lord Frost would like to talk about once in a generation errors. No, not that one…

Medieval Miliband's plan for an energy system that depends on the weather is taking us back to the Middle Ages. His unreliable high-cost low-power system is going to drive out of the country what energy-intensive production we have left. Labour's energy policy is shaping up to be one of those collective madness, once-in-a-generation errors countries sometimes make - like Germany's error in junking nuclear. We will all have to pay a heavy price for it - unless Starmer sees sense and junks Miliband instead before he does any more damage.

x.com

https://x.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1816517470452109544

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2024 10:24

The Telegraph’s a comic since the election. Frost has become a regular columnist.

Notonthestairs · 26/07/2024 10:27

My Dad has read the Telegraph for 50 years and he said last year that it had gone 'barking mad'.

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