Thread 2. Starmer, return of the Labour government

[L1ttledrummergirl]

Yes, lame but the last thread was nearly full.

Ha really?

Anyone know what she's doing these days? I'm guessing she's not signing on.

Tugendhat: "I’m ready to abandon every principle I once held to become leader of the Conservative Party"...

I still wonder if he lost on purpose. Country above party

From Dominic Grieve

Ten years ago this month that David Cameron dispensed with my services as AG. I had told him that his plans to scrap the HRA and threaten to leave the ECHR if it proved incompatible with his British Bill of Rights were unworkable and would not help solve our security or immigration challenges one bit. So it proved. When published, his plans were quickly shown to be flawed and never implemented. Ten years on, despite the repeated huffing and puffing, we still have both the HRA and the ECHR. This despite having had Suella Braverman as both Home Secretary and as a parody AG.

One might have hoped that the penny would have dropped that the policy serves no useful purpose, as any minor benefit will be entirely outweighed by the downsides. We must be thankful that Rishi Sunak seems to have realised this as did the last AG Victoria Prentis.

So it is depressing to see candidates for the Conservative leadership such as Tom Tugendhat return yet again to this theme. It has become a kind of ritual, without which no candidate feels they could be acceptable to the membership. And that I am afraid also shows how the Conservative Party continues to be mired in ideological fantasies that lead directly to its wipe out this year. For a Party whose members used to laugh at the inanity of Labour supporters singing the Red Flag at the end of their conferences, it is a sad reflection on where common sense has gone.

😮.wow. strong words

The candidates know (whatever their actual beliefs) that unless they have these policies in their pitch, they have zero chance of winning in a ballot of Tory members.

Truss won against a more moderate Sunak (and thats saying something considering some of his views) because she was even more extreme.

If the remaining Tory MPs ever want to see power again, they'll need to solidify around one candidate, avoiding the lunatics having a say.

"Suella Braverman as both Home Secretary and as a parody AG."

Just catching up. I watched PMQs yesterday and I was impressed by Sunak. I honestly thought that he would be on a plane to the US straight the election. The fact that he's sticking around and has been so graceful in defeat has surprised me. He's doing a great job in opposition and has gone up in my ( very low) estimation.

Dominic Grieve is so interesting. Not much in common with recent Tory govt.

😂

Does he post on this thread?

Maybe that's who jgw was and they got unmasked and told not to post anymore by CCHQ😂

Talking of which, is clav back from her hols yet?

Any time I think. I seem to remember she went straight after the election.

Epic fail. He will always be Tom Turdendhat for me going forward 😁.

Jgw is still around I think under a new name.

I hope so anyway, because I think they are ace.

I was being tongue in cheek 😉

Top trolling by Home Secretary there ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rwanda-scheme-flights-deportation-vietnam-migrants-b2585708.html

Using resources wisely. Excellent.

"We have immediately replaced the flight planning for Rwanda with actual flights to return people who have no right to stay to their home countries instead"

😂

Labour have removed more genuine illegal immigrants in 21 days than the Tory plan in 2 years.

Wow, that’s amazing.

The Tories sent more Home Secretaries to Rwanda than asylum seekers.

Not bad for someone without a plan.

It almost makes you feel sorry for the Tories.

After 14 years in power, all they had was Rwanda. And now even that is being swept away, - like tears in rain ...

"Art on the walls" you say...? 🧐