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Thread 2. Starmer, return of the Labour government

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L1ttledrummergirl · 12/07/2024 01:24

Yes, lame but the last thread was nearly full.

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MakeMeAirtight · 17/07/2024 20:53

BustingBaoBun · 17/07/2024 15:53

Hope it's OK if I join in! Listened to King's Speech with hope, and I haven't felt that for a very long time. I think it's going to be an upwards battle but hope is a wonderful thing.

It was good to see Starmer, Sunak, Dowden and Angela Rayner having a laugh and a joke after all the pomp today... shows they are all human but I've never been more glad to see the back of a political party!

I know about the cat tax and of course will pay it, although it is my DDs cat, one eyed from a rescue centre that her and her partner absolutely dote on and treat like a naughty tweenager and he runs rings round them!

That's gorgeous cat!

Eve · 17/07/2024 23:20

I was at my sons graduation today & the chancellor who is also a conservative lord made a speech which listed a lot of GB achievements this year, football, Lewis Hamilton etc and at the end of the list he said Luz Truss losing her seat!

took us all by surprise! 😁

Zonder · 17/07/2024 23:47

🤣

prettybird · 18/07/2024 00:00

ShockGrin
@Eve

Re them all looking relaxed and chatting together, I suspect for Sunak it was the calm before the storm as apparently he went from the HoC to the Carlton Club where he had a very uncomfortable evening with disaffected members sorry, not sorry Wink

IClaudine · 18/07/2024 08:00

It looks as though maybe the ground is being prepared for Biden to stand down?https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/17/biden-cancels-campaign-speech-covid

BustingBaoBun · 18/07/2024 08:07

I just don't know what I think about this. I don't think Biden should've stood in the first place, but that is too late now. I read a very interesting couple of articles about the fact that trump fears Biden in the election race. It sadly cannot be Kamala Harris, so all in all, it's a mess

Cheguevarahamster · 18/07/2024 08:21

BustingBaoBun · 18/07/2024 08:07

I just don't know what I think about this. I don't think Biden should've stood in the first place, but that is too late now. I read a very interesting couple of articles about the fact that trump fears Biden in the election race. It sadly cannot be Kamala Harris, so all in all, it's a mess

Why not Kamala? I thought she could stand.

pointythings · 18/07/2024 08:25

She can, but the US electorate won't vote for a non white female president.

Zonder · 18/07/2024 08:28

I thought it was too late in some states? What a crazy mess.

IClaudine · 18/07/2024 08:35

Zonder · 18/07/2024 08:28

I thought it was too late in some states? What a crazy mess.

Oh, is it? I am not clear on the mechanics of it all, tbh. But crazy mess is right.

Spandauer · 18/07/2024 08:37

Zonder · 18/07/2024 08:28

I thought it was too late in some states? What a crazy mess.

Complicated.
azmirror.com/2024/07/17/if-a-presidential-nominee-drops-out-what-happens-to-states-ballots/

Notonthestairs · 18/07/2024 08:40

Interesting short article from the Times about how Biden could be replaced. It seems very awkward and time critical.
www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/who-could-replace-joe-biden-democrats-6tjnbxdhs

Spandauer · 18/07/2024 08:45

Bit long but explainer from the guardian (June 2024)

Have Democrats already officially named Biden as their nominee?

No. Democrats will convene in Chicago from 19 to 22 August to formally select their presidential nominee, so Biden is still considered the presumptive nominee at this stage. The Democratic national committee plans to virtually nominate Biden before the convention to meet an Ohio ballot deadline of 7 August, but no date has been officially announced for that vote.

However, Biden has amassed 3,894 pledged delegates through his victories in state primaries, so he already has more than enough delegates to secure the nomination.

What will happen to Biden’s pledged delegates if he withdraws from the presidential race?

If Biden drops out of the race, his pledged delegates would arrive in Chicago uncommitted to any specific candidate, which would likely kick off a frenzied fight to win their support.

“Candidates who step into the breach hoping to take the place of the fallen candidate will find out who these delegates are and woo them in as many ways as they can. The outcome will be a convention where the result may not be known ahead of time,” Elaine Kamarck, a member of the Democratic national committee rules committee and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, wrote in January.

Democrats have not seen a floor fight for the presidential nomination since 1968, when their convention was coincidentally (and infamously) held in Chicago. In a potentially eerie parallel to 2024, then president Lyndon Johnson decided against seeking re-election just months before the election. The assassination of Robert F Kennedy left Hubert Humphrey, Johnson’s vice-president, as the main opponent against Eugene McCarthy, the anti-Vietnam war candidate.

The fraught nominating process was overshadowed by the violence on Chicago’s streets, as tens of thousands of police officers and national guard officers confronted anti-war protesters. In the end, Humphrey won the nomination – even though he had never appeared on a state primary ballot – but he went on to lose to Richard Nixon in the general election.

Would Kamala Harris automatically win all of Biden’s delegates if he dropped out?

No. Because the delegates would be uncommitted if Biden withdraws, they could theoretically vote on the floor for any candidate. In the days since the debate, a number of names – including California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, and Michigan’s governor, Gretchen Whitmer – have been floated as possible replacements for Biden.
But Harris would probably go to the convention as a strong favorite for the nomination. As the vice-president, she has the largest national profile of any potential candidate, and Biden’s pledged delegates are mostly party loyalists who would be looking for the safest possible choice if he stepped aside.

How would a nominee be chosen on the floor?

On the first ballot, a winning nominee would need to secure the votes of a majority of Democrats’ roughly 4,000 pledged delegates. If no candidate won a majority on the first ballot, Democrats would continue on to a second ballot, in which so-called “superdelegates” would have an opportunity to vote.

Superdelegates are mostly senior Democratic party leaders, and they would go to the convention not pledged to any candidate. With the roughly 700 superdelegates added to the voting pool, the winning candidate would then need to secure about 2,300 delegates to capture the nomination.
Although superdelegates would make up a relatively small share of the delegate pool, they could play an important role in choosing the nominee. Their support for a particular candidate would speak volumes and could sway fellow delegates.

Ten thousand people could decide the presidential election | Brookings

Numerous scenarios could leave the outcome of the 2024 presidential election in the hands of a small group of people.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/ten-thousand-people-could-decide-the-presidential-election/

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2024 08:47

This funny

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1813800868531323087

What's the new MP for Clacton doing out here in Milwaukee?

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2024 08:54

This on the other hand is terrifying

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1813628114775519453

Can you answer the question?” “Emily, you need your head examined.” Key Trump ally Kari Lake, who is being sued for repeated false claims of election interference, doubles down.

Evenstar · 18/07/2024 08:56

This is insane, someone believes they witnessed a miracle when Trump was shot https://x.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1813843364522938791?s=61&t=xKCXjKa1-S6Ks0nSd_LXGg

Spandauer · 18/07/2024 08:56

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2024 08:47

This funny

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1813800868531323087

What's the new MP for Clacton doing out here in Milwaukee?

The pregnant pauses- lol.

But honestly, does anyone actually believe Trump or his team asked him to come?

What does he say when the nice immigration officer asks you what is the purpose of your visit to the US?
"Insurrection support, Officer"

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2024 09:00

Evenstar · 18/07/2024 08:56

This is insane, someone believes they witnessed a miracle when Trump was shot https://x.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1813843364522938791?s=61&t=xKCXjKa1-S6Ks0nSd_LXGg

those bandages in the follow up tweet 😂

Evenstar · 18/07/2024 09:04

@DuncinToffee yes I am torn between laughter and horror at the stupidity of this cult like behaviour, they would absolutely drink the Kool Aid.

newnamethanks · 18/07/2024 09:06

Yup. Jesus saved him. Sanity forbids me to say more.

Spandauer · 18/07/2024 09:06

"they would absolutely drink the Kool Aid."

They would go back for the free refill.

Zonder · 18/07/2024 09:22

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2024 08:47

This funny

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1813800868531323087

What's the new MP for Clacton doing out here in Milwaukee?

I love Emily!

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2024 09:25

Keir Starmer is hosting the the European Political Community at Blenheim Palace today,

The almost 50 European leaders who are attending will discuss continued support to Ukraine, energy and connectivity, security and democracy, as well as migration.

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2024 09:30

Believe me, use of Angela Rayner’s image on front of Mail on State Opening day signals deep antipathy and misogyny by editors who know how to build both. It is subtle, careful, planned.

https://x.com/davidyelland/status/1813839182818955454

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