There should be the death penalty for Karl Clifford and those like him

[HermioneWeasley]

There is no doubt he did it. No case of mistaken identity. He’s taken 3 lives. He should be executed.

I prefer the option of these monsters having to sleep with one eye open. They are never safe anywhere in prison.

Absolutely agree, I thought I’d clarified I was talking about petty criminals and examples like the one you have but maybe I wasn’t clear!

For some there is absolutely no hope of rehabilitation, and we shouldn’t even try necessarily. For those, complete lack of freedom for life is the only suitable punishment.

Yeah, sorry, I didn't quote you to disagree. I was more continuing the thought if that makes sense.

Why do you think that?

Can the people calling for capital punishment say whether they think it should apply to Lucy Letby?

Totally agree. We shouldn't be giving these scumbags free board and lodging, only to be let out free to live their lives and possibly do it again.

Yes its not vengeance.
Logically we will
Be paying for him to be in prison rather than working etc for say 30y. Then he might just go straight on benefits.
He may go on and have dc and personally i think genes can be part of the story enough that it would be better if his line doesnt continue.

Why didnt he kill himself though now and mainly instead of other people

Hanged, not hung.

Ideally he'd spend the rest of his days in a tiny cell that's fitted with nothing more than a toilet.

Now that's one way to start an argument isn't it 🤣

A substantial number of people are convinced she’s innocent. Evidence apparently means nothing. 🙄

Agree with death penalty but I wouldn’t want it too soon, let him suffer for it Agree with the Billy Connolly statement, hangings too good for him.

That's not what it's like though 🤷🏼‍♀️😬

It's the cost that bothers me he's 26 - 40 years in prison - upwards of £2 million - cost us more than £10 million to keep Peter Sutcliffe - and for what? I bet they daren't have a referendum on it

If he got out at 70 he couid live a solid 15 years and blimey that's longer than those precious girls got

I don't believe in capital punishment so your question wasn't directed at me.

However I would say that those who believe her guilty probably would want capital punishment in her case.

But, there's been no confession and no witnesses in her case. A jury has found her guilty and quite possibly she is. But its not as "conclusive" as this case.

In this case there is not even 0.01% of doubt that he did it. So I would say that's probably the difference for people.

After spending that many years in prison he’s unlikely to live much past 70 and that’s the earliest that he could be released - it doesn’t mean he will be.

I hang corrected! 🤣 He is not a picture!

I think I'm anti death penalty but when you say lucy/Huntly I'd look the other way 😂

A quick google tells me for a 30 year prison sentence it will cost 1.4 million ish (which is more than most people will earn in their lifetime)

Yet dignitas costs 15k I know it’s slightly different but has the end result and seems humane enough

Reckon it could work, setting it up would be costly but the figures could end up working

around 5,400 people in the uk for murder costing 46k a year, so at 46k a year that’s 252 million ish per year housing murders

that’s not including the 100,000 people in prison for other crimes

I wonder if she were a man would they still think or would he be automatically guilty?

I think whole life tariff. Capital punishment makes someone else into a murderer too and the perpetrators' problems are over in a jiffy. In some cases they also might not be guilty.
Imagine looking at 50 years in a cell. Imagine knowing you'll never have sex again, never go on a holiday again, never swim in the sea, never do anything spontaneous and feeling in constant danger.
If it ever were capital punishment, it should be with what/the experience they used themselves. Like a crossbow. Barbaric.

But capital punishment does the square root of FA to actually stop crime. Plus, of course, it’s morally wrong. And two wrongs certainly don’t make a right.

I know what you mean, but sadly men killing women is "normal" - as in it's commonplace and the stats have barely changed. Two women a week are killed by a current or former partner and the public in general pretty much accepts it as "the way things are" and isn't really motivated to stop it.

It's misogynist violence that forms the background noise in our society and occasionally you end up with extreme cases like this pathetic creature.

Oh they are having sex with eachother lol