Thread 1 Starmer: A New Hope

[DuncinToffee]

Please tread lightly on our dreams.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/08/voter-id-rule-may-have-stopped-400000-taking-part-in-uk-election-poll-suggests

Ah, the usual ways (and means) have been restored!

Thanks @prettybird and @Igotjelly mega helpful, something else I didn't know, but now I do!

Aw that's lovely! And what a good choir!

It's great to see Keir just relaxing into being prime minister, like the weight of carrying that ming vase for 6 weeks has just been lifted from his shoulders. I'm so excited to see them pull this off.

Thanks @DuncinToffee that's interesting. I don't know why Labour have squashed the idea of ID cards as that would enable everyone to have a free ID for voting and shop ID.
I suspect it will come in anyway attached to some sort of digital medical passport, although I'm not sure how long that will take.

@Piggywaspushed - I only ever use MN ones . There's no equivalent to and in the emoji keyboard

I do occasionally use 🐿️ though when warranted

Yeah I was a bit 🤔 about ruling out digital ID, seemed like a sensible idea to me. The only thing I could think of was that it was Blair's suggestion and he's still quite a divisive figure for some. Keir may not have totally let go of that ming vase just yet.

Honestly I'd be more inclined to blame lack of ID and the postal vote issue for the low turnout rather than a lack of overall support for labour.

Re the whole indie/private school debate.... it doesn't help that here in the UK they get called "independent" and even "public" schools, rather than always what they are private schools

(Yes, I do know the historical reason that "public schools" are called "public schools" )

I do find the angst and outrage at the imminent imposition of VAT on private school fees, especially evident in some other areas of MN really gobsmacking - and eye opening as to how people can live in a bubble.

Like 'super selective' , calling schools 'indie' is a MN thing. Never heard it before MN. I guess it kind of emphasises their freedoms from control.

That said, I taught a class the other day who didn't know indie music and indie films were shortenings of 'independent'...

Lots of schoolkids brought up on US culture think public schools are state schools!

The problem with digital only IDs, as evidenced by the EU Settled Status scheme, is that there will always be people who fall through the cracks. The framework for supporting those people needs to be robust and compassionate - right now it is neither, and it would take a vast culture change at the Home Office to make it so.

And in my head -> private = your local fee paying school of not much renown. Public = your Etons down a bit but not far.I think the sector says it's about membership of the HMC.

I do find the angst and outrage at the imminent imposition of VAT on private school fees, especially evident in some other areas of MN really gobsmacking - and eye opening as to how people can live in a bubble. Maybe but the whole thing seemed like a distraction technique

I worked in a private school for a bit. They did prefer to be called ‘independent’ but I never heard anyone, staff, student or parent, shorten it to indie.

Distraction from what?

Distraction from focusing on the massive rubbish heap that they were passing off as a ToryGovernment. Cant wait for Yvette's auditors to examine the Rwanda books.

Distraction from the shit show that was what the Conservatives were doing/leaving.

There’s an estate of former council houses where I live that are snapped up the moment they hit the market. Really well built, spacious semis on huge plots, they knock all the new builds into a cocked hat. Really lovely family houses.

I assumed the accusation was that the VAT policy was a distraction. Obviously the whole of everything is a shit show as a result of the last government (god I love typing 'the last government) but I couldn't see how either the policy or a reaction to it could distract from that.

It always seemed like a massively disproportionate response to what was only a small problem 🤷‍♀️

@cardibach - I read it as the outrage being a distraction, not that the policy was a distraction.

I do think that Labour are sincere and serious about it as a policy.

But if you believed parts of MN and the right wing MSM, then you'd never realise that only a tiny proportion of the population will be affected, and an even tinier practically non existent proportion will actually leave private schooling as a consequence. Supposedly state education is going to collapse

Not like Dave to walk away

David Cameron will not become Shadow Foreign Secretary as he has decided to step back from frontline politics

(Telegraph)

He's got his peerage

And the election was swung by 400,000 voters ?

The universe is telling us something.

Hahahahaha, he was never going to be Shadow anything.

😀

@SerendipityJane - the countries in that Mail+ article that people can "escape" to are Australia (strict immigration rules), Sweden (EU), Italy (EU) and France (EU).

Yet they can illustrate that article without a shred of irony