Thread 1 Starmer: A New Hope

[DuncinToffee]

Please tread lightly on our dreams.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5112428-thread-55-sunak-gives-up

It’s tricky when her role is filled as a matter of principle by an outside expert - which I think is the right decision. Would have been nice to see her get something else though.

Yes was just thinking the same.
Re: the house building I can’t remember who I was listening to recently but someone from Labour was discussing how buildings/shops in the high street could be reimagined for housing also then possibly invigorating the local areas.
yy the suggestion upthread of council house sales being reinvested in building new homes/more stringent protocols for buying, I don’t know if this is possible but maybe local authorities being offered first refusal on previous LA homes being sold, some of them are still reasonably priced & possibly cost less than putting people in hotels/temporary accommodation not forgetting the stress & worry this puts people through, dunno must be lots of innovative ways this can looked at.

Repurposing buildings/shops in the high street for housing, often HMOs, is already being done in many areas. There's little evidence that this has led to reinvigoration, so let's hope learnings are taken from this.

I see that posters concerned about the potential erosion of women's rights under labour are being mocked, yet again, on this thread.

So, I'm out.

Take care, folks.

List of further appointments

Just standing up alongside you @user8800 to say the appointment of Dodds and Phillipson are also worrying to me as a gender critical feminist.
I don’t agree with the topic being banned on these threads apart from snide comments directed at valid concerns on FWR but 🤷‍♀️. Plenty of places on MN to discuss it and Real Life even better, I’ve found, so that’s where I’m going to be tackling the topic of women’s rights to safety and dignity. I’m going to start by writing to my MP with my concerns. She’s shiny and new and no doubt will be reluctant to rock the #bekind boat, but at least she’ll know it’s an issue that concerns women in her constituency.

Ed. ‘day’ to ‘say’

I'm going to write to my new MP too.
I have wondered if the gender issue is partly why they've got a heavyweight lawyer as AG, so as to minimise legal challenges to whatever they plan to do. I feel for Thornberry though.

I suspect her White Van/England Flags tweet from a while ago put the mockers on her being given a decent role in govt, unfortunately.
I’ve not much time for her, but that is indeed a very gracious statement.

I don't think you should leave. I don't think anyone intended to mock individual posters, more the overall tone of the board. Maybe if posters on FWR weren't quite so hostile to other views some of us wouldn't feel so bruised and therefore wouldn't comment on here about them.

But if it is a deal breaker for you, I'm sorry to see you go.

The abuse that Harriet Harman has been getting - and the Fawcett Society- on Twitter over the weekend is incredible. Immediate snide comments from various people, many men (eg Irvine Welsh) just looking to start a row..

It cuts both way. In fact - from the outside looking in- it cuts one way more than the other but that may be my Twitter algorithms.

I genuinely think in this debate you can never please either side- and most of the people in the middle are utterly oblivious. ALL of these sides include women.

I'm reading Eve winner of the women's prize for non fiction. I am finding it really fascinating . Some women have dismissed it out of hand because she includes trans women in ehr book : but actually , that bit is really interesting. Anyone, I recommend it , although it's very scientific. But it does definitely foreground the idea that science is not factual and ever changing. Science in itself is heavily ideological and very patriarchal.

I think this thread shows that we can find a consensus on many things and disagree on others - surely we aren't stuck in a rut where we think all women must have the same thoughts? Or that some are wrong and some are right!

Maybe Keir thought she would ruin his state school figures!

When FWR stop calling women who disagree with them MRA, TRA, liar or men, I'll start caring about their feelings. I have had all 4 thrown at me on there. As ye sow and all that.

That tweet was ten years ago and I doubt very much it’s had any effect given her eight years of support in opposition. I really feel for her, she’s been wheeled out in the media to defend some ridiculous nonsense at various times through the Corbyn years and has done so valiantly. Nobody could have been more loyal. Hopefully that loyalty will be rewarded.

Science in itself is heavily ideological and very patriarchal. A biological man can never change sex

I'm gender critical and I listened to Dodd's interview on Woman's Hour. My take from it was that she was between a rock and a hard place. No doubt that the wilted Tory party will see this as a last gasp at gaining some traction - spoiler alert; it's not going to happen.

Be absolutely assured that women's rights will not be thrown under the bus under this Labour Government. There's loads of new female MPs and they're not going to give way. Not a chance.

Please. We’ve agreed not to bring the gender debate on to these threads. Can we stick with that?

Another MP suffering intimidation
Seems to be mainly Labour - maybe its anti left rhetoric percolating through
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgm33jemz4o

I was posting about women's rights. It's important. Guess who had the most male PPCs standing for election? That would be Reform. What party heckled and abused Jess Phillips? That would be Galloway's party.

I'm going to read that piggy - sounds interesting.
Cordelia Fine's "delusions of gender" was great on this too. Every time I see some man pushing evo psych nonsense I'm reminded of how patriarchal scientific interpretations of the world are.

Happily. If the snide remarks about smoke from FWR etc stop then posters won't a)feel got at b) won't need to counteract them.
Some women are concerned about the erosion of their rights and to dismiss that isn't in the spirit of these threads either. Happy to avoid the subject on here if everyone does but I hate to see gc women pilloried, so no, I'm not going to shut up or not stand up in support if I see it.

I try very hard not to get involved in the FWR/Trans debate as it gets very hostile and very polarised very quickly as is being evidenced right now in this thread.

Women's rights are important, no one is saying they aren't but I have to agree with @BIossomtoes that we've agreed to leave that particular debate at the door on this thread, there are plenty of other threads to discuss this issue at great length and plenty of other issues to discuss here.

Ah, here you are, checking in!

And just to be clear when I say, leave it at the door, I also include comments about the FWR board as well. We've done really well on this so far, let's see if we can do even better.

I would say I prefer respect & tolerance to all, plus’s I am gc ( but not with capitals ) and have hidden the FWR boards.

But the way it goes is:
Poster A says something nasty about gc feminists.
Poster B tries to explain their position.
Posters C - X say " oh no, we agreed not to discuss this!" Fingers in ears, la-la-la.....

No, it shouldn't be the sole focus of these threads, but if gc posters who regularly post on here are picked and piked at with no right to reply then that's not on.