To people who voted Reform…

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…and ended up with a Labour MP (due to splitting the conservative vote), how do you feel?

Massive swing to Labour round here, and the Tory & Reform votes added together doesn't come anywhere near close.

Uxbridge is a good example of where voting reform got Labour in. During the bi election Labour lost by around 600 votes. Labour received a similar number of votes this time, but reform gained votes and conservatives lost votes. The Labour candidate therefore won.

This has been a safe conservative seat for a long time.

That’s why immigration has doubled, you can’t get down the road due to the numbers of cars on the road, there’s a housing crisis and the nhs is in ruins is it? Because it’s not true?

the next town over has so many non English speaking immigrants, the English speakers have left. It’s an absolute state, nobody looks after their homes, nobody has a job, it’s hideous.

Are you talking about immigrants or asylum seekers??

Ah so you knew and yet were unable to acknowledge your own party had issues with Racism. Yet you threw the stone anyway? How odd.

"I think the people who voted Labour thinking they'd get better public services will be disappointed and grow disillusioned over the first year"

Most people are sensible enough to realise that it is going to take a bit longer than a year to reverse 14 years of Tory policy.

The memory span of the population has been about a year since I was young. 18 months at a push. Labour have about 6 months to make a noticeable difference before the critics really get their teeth in.

Me too. The Tories borrowed an insane amount to pay for Covid (and waste). It’s something like £45,000 for every man, woman and child in the UK. That’s got to be repaid and they can’t magic it out of their backsides and improve our dying services without raising taxes.

I’m sure loads of those complaining about tax rises were happy to take furlough money.

There's a big difference between some bad apples which every party has (and shouldn't) to a whole party literally built on racism.

I didn’t mention degrees - you did, but yes why not high skilled migration?. I also think as a minimum, people should demonstrate they have the capability to support themselves, have a job lined up , criminal background checks.
I can’t just go take up residence in another country, nor should I expect to.

I voted Reform as a solo protest. I feel strongly about Women's rights but also could see the Tories needed to go. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either so I went Reform.

I didn't think for a minute that Reform would get in or even be the opposition, I just wanted to register my annoyance at the stupid situation. I'm in (or rather WAS) a safe Tory seat but the MP lost to Labour. I'm ok with the outcome. For me, it was just important to vote.

Have you even checked the UK requirements because it really doesn't sound like you have.

Genuine question but I’m regards to the reform policies that you mentioned:

free tuition for medical students if they stay in the NHS for 10 years. Vouchers to access private healthcare if NHS times are not met. Income tax threshold of £20k.is also pretty good.

they were also the only party who had policies around supporting farmers

all these policies are very expensive but you mentioned that you think low tax small state is preferable and good for wellbeing. How do you propose to fund such policies without tax?

We have to have those things already. We don’t have open borders, despite what Farage and the Daily Mail portray. It’s actually quite difficult and expensive to get a visa. I’ve got a friend who is married to an Eastern European lady. She still has to pay for her visa and to use the NHS despite them being married for a few years now and having a child here. Yet when racist people see her out and about, they’ll notice her accent and won’t realise it’s costing her thousands of pounds a year to live here.

Link please to the evidence that this 'whole party is built on Racism'.
Not sure if you are talking about 'illegal immigration'?
If so, you will need to do a little more reading I'm afraid.

Out of interest, how should better public services be funded if not through tax? Are you content with the state the conservatives have left them in?

Maybe by not bankrupting ourselves or furthering diminishing our productivity by trying to achieve net zero, something both conservatives and Labour want to pour billions upon billions into….

I voted reform but quite frankly it was between labour or reform for me. I just wanted Tory out and luckily for me my area felt the same as Tory lost every single seat going including one that’s been held since 1997. It’s time for a change and hopefully labour live up to their promises and commitments otherwise it might be another outcome in 4 years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/02/second-reform-candidate-quits-over-racism-and-misogyny

There's plenty more evidence but quite frankly I can't be bothered to waste more time here. 😂

Was there no other candidate? I cannot fathom people voting for the far right and Nigel Farage just because they didn’t want to vote for the tories or Labour. I totally get not voting for them, I didn’t but surely the alternative isn’t the far right.

What do you think the government has been spending on net zero so far? Which policies are you referring to?

Well, this is expected from the people being paid in benefits. A huge chunk in the U.K. and reflected on the results. I am not bloody paying a penny more. They can’t throw me in jail I will not pay. Also, how are they planning to enforce taxes when people can barely cope with mortgages and inflation?

Another one. Yesterday was scaremongering now they are coming out in hopes of tax rises. I knew they would but the idiots that voted for them in masses would find themselves as poor as the immigrants coming in boats very soon.

Labour gained a very small increase in actual vote share.

Two things were on their side. One was the desperation north of the border to get rid of the SNP.

The pattern of voting elsewhere indicates that a good many reform votes were from disaffected conservative voters who didn't want to hand their ❎over to Labour.

Labour initially said they would spend 28 billion a year funding net zero…
plus the huge economic costs of making ourselves energy insecure - ie by closing down most of our power stations.
Then because fuel is expensive it affects literally everything, production, food, jobs… it’s destructive and will make us all significantly poorer.