When did you *know* the Tories were over?

[TooBigForMyBoots]

For me it was PM Liz Truss's "fiscal event".

I remember watching it aghast. I thought it would lay out Britain's post Brexit plan for growth. Turned out the Tory government didn't have one.

What was your turning point?

Yes, Liz Truss.

I mean I thought they were pretty over after party gate , and they should have been over after illegally proroguing parliament, but nothing speaks to people like their bank balances.

Rishi announcing the election. I thought there was a possibility they’d hang on if they delayed the election for long enough for the economy to recover a bit. But nope.

I was never pro but Liz Truss' wildly irresponsible budget that tried to go against the market was unbelievable. That cost me thousands, as it did so many. I knew then they'd lost any claim to be the party that will look after the economy. And if they are not that, what's the point of them?

When Boris went.

I'm hoping Friday morning...

About last November I think. Couldn’t tell you exactly what it was, I could just feel it in the air.

He didn't go. He was put out. For good reason.

Partygate. We all knew, I think, that Johnson never thought the rules applied to him - about anything. But Covid was so desperate, and people were so busy with home schooling and self isolating, and working out what tier they were in, that there was no time to think about it.

Buy when it came out that the PM had been partying while the general public had been forbidden to see their dying relatives, I did think, that's it, they're over now, though it may take a while to work through.

And when you look at the opinion polls, they started tanking at Partygate, went even lower with Truss, and have stayed below Labour ever since.

When Liz Truss was elected as leader. She’d always seemed madder than a dozen boxes of frogs to me. It was the Thatcherite pussybow blouses, the fake statesman-like photos, the cheese. Nuts.
I was surprised how quickly she blew it all up though.

Barnard Castle Rose Garden Bullshit Press Conference.

Where the Tories insulted the country's intelligence and treated us with contempt by telling the clearly ridiculous "eye test" lie.

Everyone sane knew it wasn't true,

But blindly loyal Tory supporters dutifully repeated in on forums and in the pub. Client journalists repeated it in print and on Loose Women etc, Tory MPs went on Breakfast TV and news programmes and repeated it.

Treating the country like mugs and taking the British people for fools was the beginning of the end.

There was no benefit of the doubt left when all the other lies came to light.

And we all remembered which posters, blokes down the pub, commentators, journalists and MPs had try to pull the wool over our eyes before.

Dead in the water from Barnard Castle on.

Rees-Moggs revolting comments on grenfell and lounging about in parliament. Just ghastly and embarrassing.

They partied while people suffered and died alone.

PM Johnson defending the Downing Street/Tory parties as essential🙄 at the inquiry was contemptuous on a whole other level.

Truss, the lettuce, and the crashed economy.

Sunak announcing the election.

As soon as Johnson's Tories won the 2019GE with a third of the vote.

The man is wholly unsuited to any sort of public office. It was a guaranteed catastrophe in the making. I'm thoroughly unsurprised at the shambles since 2019 because it was entirely predictable.

I don't. Whilst I think that the Tories have done an insufferable amount of damage I still wouldn't like to call this election.

I remember people being certain at the last election. And the one before. I was certain which way the brexit vote would go and I was wrong. Much as I would like to I'm not putting any money on this one.

Labour are going to loose over women's rights - half the population cannot trust them.

I agree that this is a much bigger issue for most women than is reported.

I agree. Way back the conservative party used to be the ones who understood the economy and how to improve it. Not any more.
Ex conservative party major donors and big business are now donating to the labour party. Because only the labour party are showing they understand the economy, business and how to improve it. We have to have a strong economy to have strong public services.
Liz Truss was a disaster capitalist. Crash the economy so some people can make a lot of money, very quickly. But her budget was a disaster for economic growth.

When Boris was elected leader. I knew he would do something stupid which he thought was normal and 'OK' but most people would find unacceptable. He wanted power for the wrong reasons and didn't take the responsibility seriously enough.

Liz Truss pitching up on a fairly balmy Moscow spring morning wearing full Siberian-winter hat and coat, not knowing where the Black Sea was and having all the Russians openly laugh at her.

Definitely somewhere between partygate and Boris being kicked out. Boris’s popularity ratings had plummeted and he took the Tory party with him. There was a sense that even Tory MPs knew they weren’t going to win their seats at the next election with him leading.

Since then they’ve showed an unerring ability to not understand what the voters they need to win want and to move further and further in the wrong direction.

When Boris was elected leader. I knew he would do something stupid which he thought was normal and 'OK' but most people would find unacceptable. He wanted power for the wrong reasons and didn't take the responsibility seriously enough.

Also, Sunak bunking off early from the DDay anniversary, and the upset of some of those very old service people interviewed about it, was the final confirmation for me that he had blown it.

Those talking about womens' rights are losing the plot.
Rape has been virtually decriminalised under current conservatives. If a man rapes a woman tonight, he knows the chance he will ever be convicted is absolutely tiny.
Women who are being abused and at risk of being killed will be turned away from a refuge tonight because their funding has been cut and there are not enough spaces.
Women will be sleeping in one room tonight with three kids in their temporary one room accommodation that they will have to live in for weeks or months.
Women tonight will be engaging in survival prostitution because the cost of living crisis has left them in dire poverty.
All of these situations have got much worse over the last 14 years. Or do these women not matter?