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When did you *know* the Tories were over?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 02/07/2024 23:32

For me it was PM Liz Truss's "fiscal event".

I remember watching it aghast. I thought it would lay out Britain's post Brexit plan for growth. Turned out the Tory government didn't have one.

What was your turning point?

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Melisha · 03/07/2024 00:33

Rishi Sunak bunking off from D Day shocked me. It was then I knew he no longer wanted to be Prime Minister. He had stopped trying and probably had another job lined up by then.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 03/07/2024 00:38

Mumski45 · 03/07/2024 00:31

When Boris was elected leader. I knew he would do something stupid which he thought was normal and 'OK' but most people would find unacceptable. He wanted power for the wrong reasons and didn't take the responsibility seriously enough.

I remember reading articles in the Times by Soames, Clarke and other Conservatives about how Johnson was destroying the party.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 03/07/2024 00:39

Melisha · 03/07/2024 00:33

Rishi Sunak bunking off from D Day shocked me. It was then I knew he no longer wanted to be Prime Minister. He had stopped trying and probably had another job lined up by then.

That shocked me too. WTF was going on there?🤯

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Melisha · 03/07/2024 00:40

The conservative party has changed beyond all recognition, and clearly for the worst.

Melisha · 03/07/2024 00:42

@TooBigForMyBoots I have zero idea why Rishi Sunak thought it was okay to bunk off early from D Day. I did read a rumour that he heard King Charles was leaving early, and so thought it would be fine. But King Charles has cancer and needed to rest - presumably too long a day for him, and Prince William stood in for him. If it is true, then Rishi Sunak just appears to be stupid.

CherryBombe · 03/07/2024 00:46

Melisha · 03/07/2024 00:32

Those talking about womens' rights are losing the plot.
Rape has been virtually decriminalised under current conservatives. If a man rapes a woman tonight, he knows the chance he will ever be convicted is absolutely tiny.
Women who are being abused and at risk of being killed will be turned away from a refuge tonight because their funding has been cut and there are not enough spaces.
Women will be sleeping in one room tonight with three kids in their temporary one room accommodation that they will have to live in for weeks or months.
Women tonight will be engaging in survival prostitution because the cost of living crisis has left them in dire poverty.
All of these situations have got much worse over the last 14 years. Or do these women not matter?

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urbanbuddha · 03/07/2024 00:47

Did I read somewhere that one of Boris Johnson’s advisors is now advising Sunak?
That’s what it looks like.

sleepwouldbenice · 03/07/2024 00:48

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 03/07/2024 00:20

As soon as Johnson's Tories won the 2019GE with a third of the vote.

The man is wholly unsuited to any sort of public office. It was a guaranteed catastrophe in the making. I'm thoroughly unsurprised at the shambles since 2019 because it was entirely predictable.

Agreed.

With all his oven ready crap about getting brexit done and sorting out social care

As if they were that easy

And layer upon layer of crap after this

Reap what you sow

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TooBigForMyBoots · 03/07/2024 00:49

urbanbuddha · 03/07/2024 00:47

Did I read somewhere that one of Boris Johnson’s advisors is now advising Sunak?
That’s what it looks like.

🤣🤣🤣

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verdantverdure · 03/07/2024 16:19

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When did you *know* the Tories were over?
SerendipityJane · 03/07/2024 16:28

The moment they chose to use Brexit for their own ends. It was never going to work, and if you search my username you'll see I said it would destroy the Tory party back in 2017.

Jutemat · 03/07/2024 16:35

When the party turned on Boris. He had the nation behind him during covid, even the Labour voters. It was all downhill ever since but the Tories have noone to blame but themselves, turning on him and forcing him out. The Truss fiasco was secondary.

lovelyjubblys · 03/07/2024 16:36

Jutemat · 03/07/2024 16:35

When the party turned on Boris. He had the nation behind him during covid, even the Labour voters. It was all downhill ever since but the Tories have noone to blame but themselves, turning on him and forcing him out. The Truss fiasco was secondary.

Agree with this

verdantverdure · 03/07/2024 16:37

DinnaeFashYersel · 02/07/2024 23:40

When Boris went.

When Boris became leader.

I could never understand why Tories didn't see he was a wrong'un.

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 03/07/2024 16:38

Partygate.

verdantverdure · 03/07/2024 16:39

Toseland · 03/07/2024 00:22

Labour are going to loose over women's rights - half the population cannot trust them.

Let's. circle back to this on Friday morning.

About 10 suit you?

verdantverdure · 03/07/2024 16:41

Mumski45 · 03/07/2024 00:28

When Boris was elected leader. I knew he would do something stupid which he thought was normal and 'OK' but most people would find unacceptable. He wanted power for the wrong reasons and didn't take the responsibility seriously enough.

Just like racists think being racist is normal people with no moral fibre like Boris Johnson think we're all like them.

Westfacing · 03/07/2024 16:42

When Max Hastings said that he was voting Labour you knew the Tories were in trouble!

Changingplace · 03/07/2024 16:46

I really really hope they’re done, but until I see the result I’m not complacent, and nobody else should be, it’s a dangerous place to be.

Jutemat · 03/07/2024 16:49

verdantverdure · 03/07/2024 16:37

When Boris became leader.

I could never understand why Tories didn't see he was a wrong'un.

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On the contrary, he was loved! He became leader, then we had that massive 2019 election landslide. He had the nation in his thrall during lockdown and had his part not have turned on him he'd still be here now. The fact he almost came back after Truss to stand again just reinforces it.

cupcaske123 · 03/07/2024 16:51

timetobegin · 02/07/2024 23:53

Rees-Moggs revolting comments on grenfell and lounging about in parliament. Just ghastly and embarrassing.

That photo of him lying down in parliament with his sheer unadulterated arrogance and entitlement, really summed up the party.

MirandaBlu · 03/07/2024 16:53

20 February 2016

leeverarch · 03/07/2024 17:00

Truss. Utter shambles, that was.

Frosty1000 · 03/07/2024 17:02

Melisha · 03/07/2024 00:32

Those talking about womens' rights are losing the plot.
Rape has been virtually decriminalised under current conservatives. If a man rapes a woman tonight, he knows the chance he will ever be convicted is absolutely tiny.
Women who are being abused and at risk of being killed will be turned away from a refuge tonight because their funding has been cut and there are not enough spaces.
Women will be sleeping in one room tonight with three kids in their temporary one room accommodation that they will have to live in for weeks or months.
Women tonight will be engaging in survival prostitution because the cost of living crisis has left them in dire poverty.
All of these situations have got much worse over the last 14 years. Or do these women not matter?

Great post!! This a 100%.

WindsurfingDreams · 03/07/2024 17:07

Melisha · 03/07/2024 00:32

Those talking about womens' rights are losing the plot.
Rape has been virtually decriminalised under current conservatives. If a man rapes a woman tonight, he knows the chance he will ever be convicted is absolutely tiny.
Women who are being abused and at risk of being killed will be turned away from a refuge tonight because their funding has been cut and there are not enough spaces.
Women will be sleeping in one room tonight with three kids in their temporary one room accommodation that they will have to live in for weeks or months.
Women tonight will be engaging in survival prostitution because the cost of living crisis has left them in dire poverty.
All of these situations have got much worse over the last 14 years. Or do these women not matter?

Totally agree.
It's really frustrating to reduce women's rights to just one issue. There are so many. The toothless child maintenance service, the shambles of cafcass, the slashing of funding for refuges, the removal of sure start centres, the lack of funding in the NHS meaning maternity care is pared to the bone, the decimation of SEN support meaning more and more child without a suitable school....

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