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Thread 51 Sunak: A William Hill to die on

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DuncinToffee · 24/06/2024 22:28

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Scruffily · 28/06/2024 13:08

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 23:59

interesting listing the Conservatives failure to stop the boats. The Labour Party are famously and historically pro immigration and anyone who criticises immigration is seen as a knuckle dragging racist bigoted xenophobic twat. It's curious that Starmer's stricter stance on immigration (stop the boats) is now a selling point and not an indicator of his innate facism 🤣🤣🤣

What they are in favour of is the rule of law and our tradition and treaty obligations around accepting refugees. Being pro accepting refugees does not make you pro uncontrolled immigration, and you can't claim that that is what Labour wants. If acknowledging a duty to accept refugees and operate according to basic human rights makes you a fascist, well, by all means call Churchill and Thatcher (amongst others) fascists.

Zonder · 28/06/2024 13:11

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 13:06

I think they’re being very clever. Tax is the only ground Sunak’s got left - and that’s shaky, given the Tories’ record. Labour has been doing a huge amount of work quietly in the background with business and the City to get financial institutions on side. The national debt is costing us £8.6 billion a month, how about if they’ve been quietly renegotiating that with the banks? Just think how much money that could free up.

The old mantra is more tax, more cuts or more borrowing - perhaps there’s a fourth way?

The fourth way might be no giving it all away to friends and family.

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 13:12

Zonder · 28/06/2024 13:11

The fourth way might be no giving it all away to friends and family.

Well, yes, there is that too.

MissMarplesNiece · 28/06/2024 13:27

If anyone wants reminding about just how awful the Tories have been, Russ Jones (@ RussInCheshire) has an informative/entertaining thread on Twitter/X/ whatever, that runs down the cock ups of the Tories year by year since 2010. Its grim seeing it all laid out.

Zonder · 28/06/2024 13:29

Please can someone remind me of the link to the website showing lots of polls.

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 13:37

Zonder · 28/06/2024 13:29

Please can someone remind me of the link to the website showing lots of polls.

Here you go.

https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/

Aggregating Predictions for the General Election

https://inglesp.github.io/apogee

dontcallmelen · 28/06/2024 13:37

Zonder · 28/06/2024 13:11

The fourth way might be no giving it all away to friends and family.

I’m sure that would add shedloads, does Labour have plans to at least try & recoup any of the monies given out to various chums companies in regard to PPE etc?

Igotjelly · 28/06/2024 13:40

I’m no Rishi Sunak fan but the racial slurs from Reform are just disgusting. No one, not even such a shitty PM should have to deal with that.

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 13:43

dontcallmelen · 28/06/2024 13:37

I’m sure that would add shedloads, does Labour have plans to at least try & recoup any of the monies given out to various chums companies in regard to PPE etc?

I seem to remember the plan is to set up a special unit to do exactly that.

cakeorwine · 28/06/2024 13:43

"Parker told PA he had made the comments in “the heat of the moment” because he was being “goaded on”. He said:
Of course I regret what I said. Christ, I’m not a racist. I’ve had Muslim girlfriends. It was typical chaps-down-the-pub talk.
Asked whether he would like to apologise, he said: “Of course I’m sorry. They were off-the-cuff things that everyone says.”
Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, has highlighted the fact that Parker has worked as an actor, implying this suggests the exposé was a set up
"

"My best friend is Muslim"....

Ironically, Sunak is saying that Reform are trying to use divisive language...which is a bit hypocritical when you look at the language used by the Conservative Party. But I guess if the Conservative party use it, it's ok. It's Freedom of Speech.

dontcallmelen · 28/06/2024 13:44

Igotjelly · 28/06/2024 13:40

I’m no Rishi Sunak fan but the racial slurs from Reform are just disgusting. No one, not even such a shitty PM should have to deal with that.

I disagree with Sunak probably on everything, but that is totally despicable utterly horrific.

DuncinToffee · 28/06/2024 13:47

cakeorwine · 28/06/2024 13:43

"Parker told PA he had made the comments in “the heat of the moment” because he was being “goaded on”. He said:
Of course I regret what I said. Christ, I’m not a racist. I’ve had Muslim girlfriends. It was typical chaps-down-the-pub talk.
Asked whether he would like to apologise, he said: “Of course I’m sorry. They were off-the-cuff things that everyone says.”
Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, has highlighted the fact that Parker has worked as an actor, implying this suggests the exposé was a set up
"

"My best friend is Muslim"....

Ironically, Sunak is saying that Reform are trying to use divisive language...which is a bit hypocritical when you look at the language used by the Conservative Party. But I guess if the Conservative party use it, it's ok. It's Freedom of Speech.

Actors can be racists too

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Afloatingvoter · 28/06/2024 13:50

Zonder · 28/06/2024 13:11

The fourth way might be no giving it all away to friends and family.

Not just the more blatant stuff that has gone on in the past 4-5 years, but how much does outsourcing cost, and how much could be saved by bringing things in house?

How much could the NHS save if they did not need to use agency staff?
How much could be saved if instead of using consultants from firms like E+Y instead expertise was used from within the civil service to run projects?
If road maintenance was still done by council employed teams rather than contractors, how much better and cheaper would the roads be?

dontcallmelen · 28/06/2024 13:54

Laurence Fox was my first thought.

Zonder · 28/06/2024 13:57

Afloatingvoter · 28/06/2024 13:50

Not just the more blatant stuff that has gone on in the past 4-5 years, but how much does outsourcing cost, and how much could be saved by bringing things in house?

How much could the NHS save if they did not need to use agency staff?
How much could be saved if instead of using consultants from firms like E+Y instead expertise was used from within the civil service to run projects?
If road maintenance was still done by council employed teams rather than contractors, how much better and cheaper would the roads be?

Excellent point.

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 13:57

dontcallmelen · 28/06/2024 13:54

Laurence Fox was my first thought.

And mine. Great minds.

SerendipityJane · 28/06/2024 14:06

IClaudine · 28/06/2024 12:46

Any chance you can post the text of the Telegraph article @SerendipityJane ?

Scraped by MSN, as I won't pay a penny for Telegraph "content"

Farage has questions to answer over racist volunteer, says ‘hurt and angry’ Sunak
Andrew Parker says sorry for ‘heat of the moment’ Sunak slur and claims ‘he’s had Muslim girlfriends’
28 June 2024 • 10:28am

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Andrew Parker admits being an actor CREDIT: CHANNEL FOUR

Rishi Sunak has said he is “hurt and angry” after a Reform UK volunteer was filmed calling him a “f-- p---”.
Andrew Parker was recorded making the comments by undercover reporters for Channel 4 News.
Several activists who were working in Nigel Farage’s Clacton campaign office were dismissed following the investigation.
On a campaign visit to a school in Teesside, the Prime Minister told broadcasters: “My two daughters have to see and hear Reform people who campaign to Nigel Farage calling me an effing p---. It hurts and it makes me angry, and I think he has some questions to answer.
“I don’t repeat those words lightly. I do so deliberately, because this is too important not to call out clearly for what it is.”
Asked if he was frustrated that some former Tory voters are leaning towards Reform UK when their activists are making racist and homophobic comments, Mr Sunak said: “When you see Reform candidates and campaigners seemingly using racist and misogynistic language and opinion, seemingly without challenge, I think it tells you something about the culture in the Reform party.
“Andrew Tate isn’t an important voice for men. He’s a vile misogynist. And our politics and country is better than that.
“As Prime Minister, but more importantly as a father of two young girls, it’s my duty to call out this corrosive and divisive behaviour.”
Mr Sunak said he repeated a racial slur used against him by the canvasser, because it is important to call it out for what it is. The Prime Minister said: “I hate having to do it, I chose my words deliberately, I hate having to repeat them, absolutely hate it.
“But I also think it’s important to call this out for what it is and be clear about what it is.”
Mr Parker apologised for the comments today, saying he was “goaded on”.
He also confirmed he was an actor but got involved with Reform UK after contacting the party himself and volunteering to do leafleting because he believes in its message. He said he had not told the party that he was an actor.
Mr Parker said: “Of course I regret what I said. Christ, I’m not a racist. I’ve had Muslim girlfriends. It was typical chaps-down-the-pub talk.”
Asked whether he would like to apologise, he said: “Of course I’m sorry. They were off-the-cuff things that everyone says.”
He said he had “a lot of Pakistani friends” and “Muslim friends”, and that he was “sick to death” of being asked about the footage.
Reform investigating actor claims
It comes after Reform UK said it is investigating the actor claims about the volunteer.
Several activists who were working in Nigel Farage’s Clacton campaign office were dismissed on Thursday by the party following the investigation by Channel 4 News.
After the party activist was recorded describing the Prime Minister as a “f-- p---”, Mr Farage later called the remarks “reprehensible”.

Nigel Farage said Andrew Parker's remarks 'bear no relation to my own views' CREDIT: MARTIN POPE/ZU,A PRESS WIRE/SHUTTERSTOCK
On Friday, Isabel Oakeshott told Talk TV viewers of the “potentially sensational new twist” to the Channel 4 exposé.
She said: “You know, there was bewilderment within the party yesterday, as to who this guy was. The party was certainly familiar with some of the other characters and there’s no excuse for any of the languages that they used, but the worst language the most egregious comments were from Andrew Parker who is really not a player within the Reform Party. So it’s just very, very murky.
“He bears a remarkable resemblance to an actor whose details can be quite easily found on the internet. You can use software recognition that gives a 99.9 per cent confidence rate that they are the same people – a professional actor, and crucially, this professional actor specialises in so-called ‘rough voices’.
“So if you’ve been to his show reel his rough voice is exactly the same as the voice of the character in the on the Channel 4 undercover documentary. An urgent investigation is now underway.”
She added: “If it turns out that this character was a paid actor or even acting in a voluntary capacity for whatever their reasons, you know, maybe they have a political agenda. I don’t know. If that turns out to be the case. Then there will be hell to pay for the production company and Channel 4.”
Channel 4 rejects claim that volunteer was paid actor
Channel 4 has hit back at claims that Mr Parker was a paid actor.
A spokesman for the broadcaster said: “We strongly stand by our rigorous and duly impartial journalism which speaks for itself.
“We met Mr Parker for the first time at Reform UK party headquarters, where he was a Reform party canvasser.
“We did not pay the Reform UK canvasser or anyone else in this report. Mr Parker was not known to Channel 4 News and was filmed covertly via the undercover operation.”
The undercover reporter went canvassing with Mr Parker, who told him what to say on the doorstep.
Giving his view on Muslims and what the party would do with mosques, he said: “Sick mate. Sick m--f---”, adding: “It’s a cult. I tell you what, if you don’t know about Islam, it is the most disgusting cult.
“We’re f-- kicking all the Muslims out of the mosques and turning them into Wetherspoons.”
In the same conversation, Mr Parker said: “I’ve always been a Tory voter but what annoys me is that f-- p- we’ve got in. What good is he? You tell me, you know. He’s just wet. F---- useless.”
Talking to a prospective voter on the doorstep, Mr Parker is also heard expressing his views on how to stop the boats, suggesting Army recruits should carry out “target practice”.
Mr Parker previously told Channel 4 he wanted to “apologise profusely to Nigel Farage and the Reform Party if my personal views have reflected badly on them and brought them into disrepute”.
Farage: Whole episode does not add up
In a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, Mr Farage said: “Andrew Parker was the man that made the astonishing racist comments that have given us so much negative coverage.
“We now learn that he is an actor by profession. His own website says he is ‘well spoken’ but from the moment he arrived in Clacton he was doing what he calls ‘rough speaking’. This whole episode does not add up.”
Mr Farage also questioned whether Channel 4 had subjected other political parties to “similar subterfuges”, but made no excuses for the behaviour of the volunteers.
He said: “I am dismayed by the reported comments of a handful of people associated with my local campaign, particularly those who are volunteers. They will no longer be with the campaign.”

IClaudine · 28/06/2024 14:10

On a campaign visit to a school in Teesside, the Prime Minister told broadcasters: “My two daughters have to see and hear Reform people who campaign to Nigel Farage calling me an effing p---. It hurts and it makes me angry, and I think he has some questions to answer.
“I don’t repeat those words lightly. I do so deliberately, because this is too important not to call out clearly for what it is.”

I absolutely, wholeheartedly support Sunak in this.

Afloatingvoter · 28/06/2024 14:13

IClaudine · 28/06/2024 14:10

On a campaign visit to a school in Teesside, the Prime Minister told broadcasters: “My two daughters have to see and hear Reform people who campaign to Nigel Farage calling me an effing p---. It hurts and it makes me angry, and I think he has some questions to answer.
“I don’t repeat those words lightly. I do so deliberately, because this is too important not to call out clearly for what it is.”

I absolutely, wholeheartedly support Sunak in this.

The issue I have with what Sunak says is that words are fine, but where was he when his colleagues were demonising other human beings?

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 14:19

Afloatingvoter · 28/06/2024 14:13

The issue I have with what Sunak says is that words are fine, but where was he when his colleagues were demonising other human beings?

Two wrongs don’t make a right. There’s never an excuse for racist abuse.

Afloatingvoter · 28/06/2024 14:22

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 14:19

Two wrongs don’t make a right. There’s never an excuse for racist abuse.

Completely, and Sunak has every right to call it out.

I just think it would be nice if demonising people was called out irrespective of who is involved.

newnamethanks · 28/06/2024 14:30

I support Sunak in this, of course, disgusting people using disgusting terminology. However Tory party has been treading an increasingly fine line on racism, so please take note: if you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas.

tobee · 28/06/2024 14:36

Thank you @dontcallmelen . Your pain killer dream made me laugh a lot!!

tobee · 28/06/2024 14:40

Zonder · 28/06/2024 12:02

I know this isn't really relevant to this thread but does anyone think it's at all likely Biden will step down soon? I can't stand the thought of him continuing and giving the victory to Trump.

They've got themselves in an absolute pickle haven't they? (To put it mildly).

I was reading a democrat commentator talking about last night saying that, although it pains him to say it, America is not yet ready for a black woman president. 😔

I just don't know what can be done constitutionally. And the call must be whether removing Biden and replacing him at this stage would solve the problem

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