Thread 51 Sunak: A William Hill to die on

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Fairly certain immigration has increased significantly under successive Conservative governments (Brexit opportunities). That rather suggests they are "famously pro immigration".

Indeed we are. And you're about to be out of a job...

and yet when people slag Conservatives off, eg in earlier threads about Kemi Badenoch, they love to say it's because they're anti immigration. I mean, nobody wants to talk about immigration sensibly or intelligently because it's obviously racist to have any conversation about it 🙄🙄

ironically @HannibalHeyes I work in a profession which often gets support from Labour. Not always the correct, targeted support, but support👌

It’s crazy really; the Conservatives have chased all these very fickle Brexit voters instead of sticking to the centre. I mean on the usual Conservatives metric I should be laughing; I should have lower bills and tax. That is what I expect from them, and then they starve public services to give me tax cuts. But now they can’t even do that. What are they for?

How is this complicated? I don't think Labour are pro-immigration. They happened to be in govt at the end of the 90s when asylum seeking claims rose dramatically as a result of the wars in the former Yugoslavia - we were part of a European agreement, initiated under the Conservatives to take people resettled from Bosnia. just as we are taking people from Ukraine atm. But this was why asylum claims went from low 100s to high thousands btw 1999 and 2003.

At the same time free movement of workers in the EU (remember it was the Tories who took us into the EU and Labour who opposed this and free movement of workers was always a condition of membership) expanded with the accession of 6 new member states in 2004.

That's why there was an increase in the numbers of both asylum claims AND workers arriving from Europe when Labour was last in power. It wasn't an active policy, but a consequence of longstanding multilateral agreements that both Conservative and Labour administrations had signed up to.

Very specifically on people smuggling - the only people in favour of people trying to cross the worlds busiest shipping lanes in inflatable boats are the people making money out of it. Everyone else thinks it is appalling and needs to end. The only differences of opinion are how not if.

If you think Rwanda was ever going to work, well I have a garden bridge to sell you...the fact it was dead in the water is why we're going to the polls next week.

I think that we should ignore deliberately provocative and/or ridiculous posts

I know I've already rush to the bait but I'll sit on my hands and refrain in future

I'm pretty sure troll farms aren't on the Labour manifesto...

"risen to the bait", not "rush to the bait"

Isn't immigration at a record high since records began 250 years ago?

Tory voters must listen to the three word slogans the Conservative Party say and not pay attention to what they do.

Exactly. The man's a boss. He has discipline and he leads from the front.

As opposed to Sunak who had to call an election to stop his own party ousting him and is currently being described on Twitter as a yapping puppy dog. (It must be those sad defeated eyes)

We've done nothing BUT discuss bloody immigration since about 2015. I'm sick of hearing about it.

The trouble is that Brexit has ducked our economy so the only way to achieve even those tiny 0.2% slivers of growth is via immigration because people who are here spend money here.

People with functional memories may remember that Remainers said they expected immigration to rise after Brexit. And that the immigrants would be coming from non-European countries.

As usual,Remainers were right.

I can't understand whyanyone thinks the current spivocracy is acceptable. Everyday I drive past a multi million pound personal vanity project that is funded by super profits from dodgy PPE sales and it makes me sick to the stomach to see where my record breaking taxes have gone when my mum is still waiting for a cardiology appointment over 8 months after referral.

6 months?

We've had 14 years of the latest experiment and it's been shown to be failing for most of it.

Me too!

What I cannot understand is how someone who has held a substantive public position is thought as less suitable for public office than a dilettante journalist.

I disagree with your statement. Sir Keir Starmer may be suitable. Boris Johnson was unfit to be Prime Minister, indeed as a man who unlawfully suspended Parliament I consider a traitor to this country.

So you don’t disagree. You’ve just said the same thing in different words.

So I woke up to find 50+ posts and thought perhaps something exciting had occurred.

Just work experience.

Anyway, the dog’s woken up.

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Good idea. So tempting though when the posts are just silly!

https://x.com/GregHands/status/1805990458159481219?t=2Saf6aoLkl-prath3pbLRw&s=19

Morning peeps. I missed some "fun" last night.

Here's a supporter of Greg Hands. A previous passionate Labour suporter who had had Damascam like conversion and is now voting Tory.

Shame she was (is?) a Conservative councillor.

One week to go vipers!!

Perfect analysis

I’m pro immigration, that is not the same as pro people being trafficked in awful conditions into the UK in small boats. I believe we should have an asylum system that humanely and appropriately processes asylum claims and that those in genuine need are allowed to stay here and are supported to do so.

I do not believe in painting over murals in immigration centres because it risks making children feel comfortable and happy. I do not believe in ramming migrant like animals onto barges and into hotels riddled with disease. I do not believe in separating families and housing them separately in order to prevent them putting down roots and building societal cohesion. I believe in humanity. I believe in treating people like humans and with empathy.

I also believe that legitimate immigration (like that which we had under EU membership) is the backbone of our public sector.