Thread 4 - Michael Mosley

[Aquarius1234]

Body found and identified.

He was walking purposefully when heading east past the Pedi marina, but whether he had always intended to do that route or whether it was a snap decision taken at Pedi, who knows.

Surely MM was intentionally walking from Pedi to Agia Marina. He just mistakenly took the difficult high path to the left, rather than the easier path on the right. Just as described in BarrysRamblings blog from 2012.

There’s a boat from Agia Marina back to Symi town, so that’s why he’d have been headed there.

I find it hard to understand why people have seen the CCTV footage of this poor guy taking his last steps and seeing pictures of his body. I certainly haven't, because I haven’t been looking. Just don’t understand why anyone would want to view something so disturbing and tragic .

It did strike me that he was found opposite the beach they were on. Was he looking out to that hill and thinking he’d have a go? But surely this sensible man would take more water , a bigger hat and attempt it at 5am not in the midday sun.

Only the police have, it's not for general release.

My DH often looks at high point on holiday while we’re lounging by a pool or beach. He then decides to go up it but he’s much younger and would do it in cooler hours.

The CCTV from the Agia Marina has not been released, but it’s been written about by journalists who’ve seen it.

I inadvertently saw a photo of MM’s body where it was found, though it had been slightly blurred out. This was yesterday morning when I was looking for news on Greek websites.

A reporter for The Times also posted unnecessarily graphic descriptions and videos on Twitter, for which everyone condemned him but he didn’t take it down.

Oh sorry. I must have misunderstood then. Thought PPs had seen these images . Just wouldn’t want to look at something so tragic,it would really mess with my head. Am so desperately sad for Michael and his family.

He may have been absolutely fine and then just had a heart attack that may have happened at any point. His father had heart issues and that is what had spurred him on to be fit but somethings are just genetic. The post mortem will show .

Aah how awful. People are so bloody disrespectful! The only people who should have been allowed to take pictures should be whoever is directly involved in the investigation.

Ok, give it a break now- have a bit of respect for his family, this deeply tragic event has impacted them all so suddenly. Go elsewhere to do your amateur sleuthing, it’s actually nothing to do with randoms now, his family should be allowed to grieve in private and free of speculation about what he could have done etc, etc.

Quite possibly, and there was a report on day 2 that he walked up part way up the steps at St Nicholas before returning to his wife then setting off on his journey. But then again he didnt tell anyone he was going to scale the mountain as they didn't search there till CCTV saw him heading that way.

Life is so fragile. Imagine being on a beach on holiday, not knowing you have just a few hours left to live.

There's such a fine line (and luck) between living life/being adventurous and being cautious - awful for his family. I'd prefer to die quickly than spend months/years being incapacitated in a hospital bed though!

I did media at uni (a long time ago now)

One of my lectures was about the degree of stuff they show on tv and what the editoral team had to decide was acceptable and what was not.

We got shown a bunch of unbroadcast footage and went through discussions about what was actually shown.

There was also discussion about what was shown on Al Jazeera and what the difference was.

There really was a cultural difference.

There were discussions over whether this was a good thing or whether it sanitised the world, and whether this led to differences in attitudes between countries. The argument was that, was it could lead to people thinking things were being deliberately hidden from them for political reasons - in a conspiray type way.

In the years since there has been a massive closing of the gap between the West and the Middle Eastern news challenges, largely driven by the instant nature of social media and how the roll of the editor making those censorship decisions has, to a large degree, effectively been made redunant as a result.

Culturally our broadcast channels still behind online media and do still make editoral decisions but quite a lot of what I was shown as 'unbroadcastable' probably would be shown today.

I think this is a hard adjustment and makes many of us more shocked because we haven't seen this in the past and its a new thing to us. Some people think its the world getting harsher or more dangerous too.

I get why we have had editing in the past and I have mixed views about whether this is a good or a bad thing.

If there is a 'live incident' twitter can be particularly unpleasant and it is really easy to come across stuff you don't want to see. I think you have to be aware of this to a degree and be careful what you search. I don't really think its avoidable given the nature of the platform unfortunately.

There were pictures in the papers. You didn't have to go looking for them.

@StillCreatingAName why are you in this thread then? It’s a safe space to talk it through. It’s been a huge shock to many.

I don't think there are any publicly available pictures. I pay for a digital subscription to The Times. I clicked on an article about Michael to find a detailed and distressing description of what it shows. I shut the app down and didn't finish reading the article. Sometimes these things are put in our path without looking for it.

So we’ve got another member of the Thread Police here to try to tell us what to do.

This is a major news story, so naturally people are going to speculate on an online talk forum.

Exactly and i suspect the news stories will begin to tail off in the next day or so. Its still so raw and new info been coming out all afternoon, about the cctv and unanswered questions, so its all still relevant.

They seem to have changed the article in the Times now and removed the distressing part but have added in comments from the mayor about his route being, "strange and crazy". I'm not warming to that guy. Wish some of the thread police would tell him to put a sock in it.

Wish some of the thread police would tell him to put a sock in it.

@IdisagreeMrHochhauser

Haha that mayor has been on it since day 1 and like many I was influenced by his comments as he knows the place better than most. He was likely miffed that the international press were in his backyard and not for a good reason. He's basically stuck to the script that the actions of MM were so far removed from normal behaviour he just cant make any sense of it. It also was reported on Saturday that although he described the paths on that mountain as treacherous, others said the one to Agia Marina was passable OK, nothing too out of the ordinary to a seasoned walker. Perhaps some of his words are lost in translation and he's not being as blunt as he appears.

It was all the more bizarre that of all the experts and services in the search, the mayor discovered the body on the Sunday morning.

It wasn’t the mayor!

I havent seen any