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Thread 2 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Rubbishconfession · 07/06/2024 16:12

Following on from thread 1, linked below.

Let's hope the CCTV / sighting in town gives a glimmer of home that he made the walk from the beach to town ok.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5090880-michael-moseley-missing-after-disappearing-on-holiday-walk?page=10&reply=135846185

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Justrelax · 07/06/2024 23:46

Getupat8amnow · 07/06/2024 20:50

From a source:

I think a lot of the stuff about the phone is a red herring and reporting getting mistranslated. A man of that generation isn’t usually glued to their phone like a teenager. Unless he was expecting a very urgent call or had a work meeting scheduled (neither of which have been stated), he probably just forgot the phone. Provided his wife had her phone, that’s the emergency contact point for the family covered, so making a six mile round trip just to collect it in that heat isn’t likely. He left at 1:30pm, then boat taking the rest of the party away from the beach was at 4pm, if he made that round trip there’s a chance he would miss the boat and have to walk another 3 miles to get back again, and it would be pointless anyway, just exhausting and very little time left for further time on the beach.

it’s more likely he just doesn’t enjoy sunbathing etc as much as the others and felt like he wanted a walk. The thing about the phone is that it alerted the others when they arrived back that he hadn’t been back to the accommodation. If he had gone back and then decided to go out again such as to go down to the seafront and have a beer at a bar (he was on holiday so of course he may havE done that), if he’s generally considerate his wife would have expected a note or for him to have taken the phone to have been contactable.

They left the beach at 4pm, so unless they stopped somewhere en-route they likely were back at the accommodation by around 5-6pm. Not everyone updates each other on their every move by text message, some people just assume all is well unless they’ve heard otherwise. There wasn’t necessarily any reason to feel any concern until the phone was discovered. The phone itself isn’t the concerning thing…it’s what it implies…that he didn’t return to the accommodation in all that time. In itself maybe not an immediate worry…his wife would know whether it was. If is in his nature to stop off somewhere for food/drink on the way home and get talking to people, on holiday where there is no work or deadlines etc, maybe him not being there isn’t a major panic immediately. There’s a difference between ‘missing’ and just not knowing where someone is. It’s possible as it’s a small town that they did something like took a car or walk to the main area with bars/cafes and did a quick scout for him there…it’s summer and hot, someone can easily loose track of time if social or drinking. If the people they are staying with live on the island they may also have done some obvious checking like calling the local a&e to check he wasn’t admitted as they would know where to phone/look.

It depends on what would be his normal habits and expected behaviour. Him not being there at the accommodation as soon as they returned might not have been an immediate call to the police, they may not have assumed something bad had happened just because he wasn’t there, or even because the phone was still there.

The really significant thing about the phone is that it makes it much less likely that he made it back to the accommodation. What is means is he was ‘missing’ from 1:30pm, whereas if he had collected the phone or left some other sign he’d been back…the timing of his being missing would have been later. The missing from 1:30pm part is what caused the rescue effort to focus on the coastal path as the most likely place a person could fall and land unnoticed. It also means that by the time the police we called he’d been missing for significantly longer so than if he had collected the phone, meaning given the circumstances of the coastal route and presumably they were convinced he wasn’t the type to be inconsiderate and make his wife worry if he was just in a pub…meant they sprung into action quickly.

I really don’t think there is anything weird about the phone issue…I think it’s been miscommunicated in the media and it’s really just relevant because it puts a time-stamp on where he was last confirmed as being alive and well (1:30pm) as earlier than if there had been signs he’d visited the accommodation. The cctv now confirmed as being him at apx 2pm moves that forward. But that still doesn’t help much because him not disappearing on the coast path widens the search not narrows it. There’s also the possibility that if he became confused (which is now looking a the most likely scenario given the safety of where he was and his medical history), he might have turned around and gone back over that same coast path…meaning they still can’t rule that area out even though he made it safely to Pedi.

If being in a state of confusion is the most likely theory the police are working on, that’s probably the hardest to deal with in terms of search…because there may be no logic in the route or direction he headed.

Latest reports are saying sniffer dogs are now deployed, which is possibly their best chance of finding him. He could be doing something strange like sheltering/hiding under an upturned boat in a confused and frightened state if he’s had a sudden memory issue. He might be feeling confusion as to why he is in that country alone and with no phone and intentionally hiding in fear. The previous time he had the memory issue it was resolved by the next morning, but if you add dehydration into that it could be it doesn’t then resolve.

The wife/friends called the police apx 7:30pm to make a missing persons report. I don’t think that seems odd at all. They may have only just got back, or just assumed he was somewhere nearby and tried to look for him themselves first. Sometimes people can also be hesitant to call the police because it makes that fear they are dreading about the situation feel more ‘real’ and they are hoping they are ‘worrying over nothing’. There’s also his fame, it would become a news story in the uk very quickly, and if it turned out he was just in the pub and unaware his wife considered him to be ‘missing’ it would be embarrassing. I think 7:30pm is a perfectly reasonable time to raise the alarm. A lot of people wouldn’t even do it that early, but doing it at that early evening time shows that it was out of character for him to leave his wife in a situation where she wouldn’t know his general whereabouts. He clearly can’t be the type that would just stay in the pub until closing and remain out of contact, otherwise she wouldn’t have assumed the police were needed until later in the night.

If you were in the uk and called the police at 7:30pm to report that a generally healthy man with no obvious mental health vulnerability had not returned home after only being last in contact since lunchtime and was out for a walk in a place generally considered safe and where members of the public would see them or in a small town area….I doubt they would spring into action that quickly to assume misadventure, they’d be at least waiting until it got dark. They don’t even do that when teenagers don’t come home when expected, they usually assume at least until after dark that someone is just out of contact intentionally or lost their phone or forgotten to tell family their plans.

Presumably the Greek police were convinced very quickly that not returning by that time was completely out of character, or thought there were other factors such as this 2019 memory loss episode that warranted it being an instant emergency response as they were starting the search very quickly after he was reported missing.

This entire thing is just a copy and paste of a post from Tattle btw. Not a source - just some random person's speculation.

Portfun24 · 07/06/2024 23:46

This was what the mayor said yesterday they'd have to consider stopping in 5 days if they didn't get help from Greece or the UK. Which they are and will, so it won't stop now there's so much focus on it.

Thread 2 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk
Portfun24 · 07/06/2024 23:48

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User5463463 · 07/06/2024 23:48

I don't know where the newspapers are getting their 3 hours from?! If you plug the route into Googlemaps it gives several route suggestions of 45mins-1.5 hours max. It almost sounds like some journalist did a shoddy reporting job and simply put "Simi" into Googlemaps, where it will put the destination in the middle of the island. The walking time to that Google Pin is indeed 2.5 - 3 hours. The place he was going to is Ano Symi, a beach town only a few km from Pedi.

CornishTeaTime · 07/06/2024 23:50

I cant read through 500 posts!!! Can someone tell me whats happened in a nutshell???

greengreyblue · 07/06/2024 23:51

Just read the news like we all have!

LaBelleEtLeBadBoy · 07/06/2024 23:52

CornishTeaTime · 07/06/2024 23:50

I cant read through 500 posts!!! Can someone tell me whats happened in a nutshell???

There’s nothing here that’s not in the news

SalmonAndHorseradish · 07/06/2024 23:52

User5463463 · 07/06/2024 23:48

I don't know where the newspapers are getting their 3 hours from?! If you plug the route into Googlemaps it gives several route suggestions of 45mins-1.5 hours max. It almost sounds like some journalist did a shoddy reporting job and simply put "Simi" into Googlemaps, where it will put the destination in the middle of the island. The walking time to that Google Pin is indeed 2.5 - 3 hours. The place he was going to is Ano Symi, a beach town only a few km from Pedi.

A quote from one of the rescue searchers, according to this article:

'The search for Mr Mosley was described as a “race against time” as it switched to a treacherous mountainous path.

CCTV footage from a house at the edge of Pedi’s small marina at the far end of the village showed the presenter entering the path at about 2pm on Wednesday. One of the rescuers told PA that Mr Mosley’s decision was “inexplicable”, as it would have taken a fit young person three hours to walk to the port.

“The path is not easy to follow, if he took a wrong turn, he would be lost. He could be anywhere, It is a race against time,” she said.

The little-used path goes inland rather than following the coast.'

uk.news.yahoo.com/everybody-looking-him-says-mayor-182609551.html

Justrelax · 07/06/2024 23:54

User5463463 · 07/06/2024 23:48

I don't know where the newspapers are getting their 3 hours from?! If you plug the route into Googlemaps it gives several route suggestions of 45mins-1.5 hours max. It almost sounds like some journalist did a shoddy reporting job and simply put "Simi" into Googlemaps, where it will put the destination in the middle of the island. The walking time to that Google Pin is indeed 2.5 - 3 hours. The place he was going to is Ano Symi, a beach town only a few km from Pedi.

A local said the mountainous path (where it's reported he was seen heading up) would take a young healthy person two or three hours to walk, so older man in heat probably much longer. It's to do with the terrain as well as the distance. Very hilly and rocky and hard to walk. If he went that route, it wasn't the most direct way and was a very, very bad idea (clearly). So he was either overambitious or not thinking straight.

ManilowBarry · 07/06/2024 23:54

'Myself and my wife visit St Nick’s beach regularly when walking from the old village and through Pedi. We’re both in our 60s and it usually takes about 20mins. Once you leave St Nick’s there are about 100 steps, which is the hard (not difficult) part. Then the terrain is a mixture of track and cemented path. It’s not a difficult walk. If you go off track towards the sea it could get awkward but no one, usually, does this. There are two bus stops on Pedi and sightings here suggest he’s completed the hard part. This story is bizarre and doesn’t make much sense.'

'A friend of the person Dr Mosley was staying with said she was struggling to understand how anyone could get lost on the part of the island he was believed to be on.

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live's Drive programme, she said: "It's a road that sort of heads over the mountain side but it's been recently widened and there is only one route, so it's not possible to lose your way. So, it is probably a 20-minute walk down the side of the mountain, but it's not overly rugged or something that would be seen to be too dangerous, it's something that tourists do every day in the summer.

"I'm having trouble understanding how you could get lost."'

BUT

'The local Mayor gave a different description.
He is quoted as saying it would take an hour and a half and described the route as rocky '

Portfun24 · 07/06/2024 23:55

User5463463 · 07/06/2024 23:48

I don't know where the newspapers are getting their 3 hours from?! If you plug the route into Googlemaps it gives several route suggestions of 45mins-1.5 hours max. It almost sounds like some journalist did a shoddy reporting job and simply put "Simi" into Googlemaps, where it will put the destination in the middle of the island. The walking time to that Google Pin is indeed 2.5 - 3 hours. The place he was going to is Ano Symi, a beach town only a few km from Pedi.

I think the specific path he was seen taking up the mountain took you inland through treacherous ground rather than the shorter coastal route. One of the rescue searchers said it was inexplicable he went that way. I think since his friends live there he's likely been before and it has been a case of thinking he knew the way and taking the wrong route. From the videos shared it does look like you could easily slip on that terrain and break a leg or something sadly.

Bouledeneige · 07/06/2024 23:57

To be fair I don't think they have squandered precious time looking at the path back from the beach. He was reported missing on Wednesday evening and had already searched it thoroughly that evening saying he was unlikely to be there. Further CCTV review and searches have found his last deifnitve sighting ioutside the cafe in Pedi - I'm not sure whether the suggested sighting of him trying to get on the bus has been verified or any other sightings are being evaluated. Presumably they have today been searching the alternative walking routes back to the villa where they were staying. His leaving his phone at the villa is of little significance I think except as has been said it cannot be used to assist in tracing him.

So we are left with a number of sadly worrying options which mostly point to a fall , medical episode or accident on the second and longer leg of his journey back to the villa - whether or not compounded by confusion/memory loss/dehydration/heatstroke or an underlying condition. Less likely options, IMHO are him having left he island whether deliberately or subject to amnesia or a brainstorm.

As I said on the previous thread none of these alternatives imply anyone has done anything wrong - him, his wife or friends or the authorities. Sadly misadventures happen regularly and randomly to people doing ordinary things.

User5463463 · 07/06/2024 23:58

Justrelax · 07/06/2024 23:54

A local said the mountainous path (where it's reported he was seen heading up) would take a young healthy person two or three hours to walk, so older man in heat probably much longer. It's to do with the terrain as well as the distance. Very hilly and rocky and hard to walk. If he went that route, it wasn't the most direct way and was a very, very bad idea (clearly). So he was either overambitious or not thinking straight.

I recall reading that somewhere too but it seems to have been deleted from many of the articles?! Including the Yahoo News one linked above.

Just proof that even reputable mainstream media will publish any type of bollocks lifted from other websites based on quotes from a random person, as long as it gets them clicks and ad revenue.

Portfun24 · 07/06/2024 23:58

ManilowBarry · 07/06/2024 23:54

'Myself and my wife visit St Nick’s beach regularly when walking from the old village and through Pedi. We’re both in our 60s and it usually takes about 20mins. Once you leave St Nick’s there are about 100 steps, which is the hard (not difficult) part. Then the terrain is a mixture of track and cemented path. It’s not a difficult walk. If you go off track towards the sea it could get awkward but no one, usually, does this. There are two bus stops on Pedi and sightings here suggest he’s completed the hard part. This story is bizarre and doesn’t make much sense.'

'A friend of the person Dr Mosley was staying with said she was struggling to understand how anyone could get lost on the part of the island he was believed to be on.

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live's Drive programme, she said: "It's a road that sort of heads over the mountain side but it's been recently widened and there is only one route, so it's not possible to lose your way. So, it is probably a 20-minute walk down the side of the mountain, but it's not overly rugged or something that would be seen to be too dangerous, it's something that tourists do every day in the summer.

"I'm having trouble understanding how you could get lost."'

BUT

'The local Mayor gave a different description.
He is quoted as saying it would take an hour and a half and described the route as rocky '

They're talking about different routes. The first few are talking about the route from the beach to Pedi which we now know he's left and has headed up a mountainous path that's treacherous back to symi as he's been captured on a womans cctv heading up that path, apparently as per the link above quoting what the rescue searcher has said.

SalmonAndHorseradish · 08/06/2024 00:00

CornishTeaTime · 07/06/2024 23:50

I cant read through 500 posts!!! Can someone tell me whats happened in a nutshell???

MM is on holiday in Symi, a Greek island. He arrived on Tuesday. On Wednsday he was at the beach with his wife and another couple and decided to leave early because he was either tired or not feeling well. His plan was to walk to the town of Pedi and then catch a bus from there back to where he was staying - his wife and the other couple later took a boat back. He never made it to where he was staying. He was originally assumed to have got into difficulty somewhere on a coastal path between the beach and Pedi, approx a 20 min walk. CCTV now shows he reached Pedi safely but did not catch a bus to where he was staying as he had planned to. In the last few hours they have found more CCTV suggesting he has instead taken a mountain path described as treacherous' and said to take a fit person 3 hours to walk. Search efforts were refocused there but have been called off for the night.

Freesia9 · 08/06/2024 00:00

So it turns out he left the others to return home because he wasn't feeling well www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1908613/michael-mosley-health-walk-extreme-heat-missing/amp

Inyournewdress · 08/06/2024 00:03

Posters upthread have mentioned several routes from Pedi to Symi:bus (which it seems may have been attempted but not been possible for whatever reason); a 1-2 mile along a built up road; a boat from the marina; a longer coastal path; then more recently the inland paths through the mountains, one of which he has reportedly been seen entering via CCTV.

Is that right? Are those routes all there, and what might influence someone to choose a particular one? If anyone knows the area.

Before anyone asks I don’t know why I feel compelled to try and understand what routes there are, but I do. I am so hoping that the case will have a happy ending and I am trying to follow it and getting so confused.

Strawberriesaregoingoff · 08/06/2024 00:08

thebillcollector · 07/06/2024 23:38

I agree, it's incredibly unfair to starting finger pointing at small places with far fewer resources than a large westernised, industrialised country.

We know this when we go to far flung places. It's a risk, always has been.

If you suddenly develop a brain clot in Indonesia your nearest specialist hospital could be hundreds/thousands of miles and hours away. It's a risk we all take when we travel.

They are doing their very best and I bet all the locals are looking out too. Just because the 'official' search can do no more, doesn't mean a local search can't continue.

Agree and the locals will know the area like the back of their hands .

ManilowBarry · 08/06/2024 00:08

Bit odd that his wife didn't go back with him or one of the others or all of them if he was feeling unwell especially as he had suffered a medical episode previously after going swimming.

I did read he was a diabetic but not 100% sure.

colouringindoors · 08/06/2024 00:08

SalmonAndHorseradish · 08/06/2024 00:00

MM is on holiday in Symi, a Greek island. He arrived on Tuesday. On Wednsday he was at the beach with his wife and another couple and decided to leave early because he was either tired or not feeling well. His plan was to walk to the town of Pedi and then catch a bus from there back to where he was staying - his wife and the other couple later took a boat back. He never made it to where he was staying. He was originally assumed to have got into difficulty somewhere on a coastal path between the beach and Pedi, approx a 20 min walk. CCTV now shows he reached Pedi safely but did not catch a bus to where he was staying as he had planned to. In the last few hours they have found more CCTV suggesting he has instead taken a mountain path described as treacherous' and said to take a fit person 3 hours to walk. Search efforts were refocused there but have been called off for the night.

Edited

That walk, in 40 degrees, not feeling well 😪

Christ0nABike · 08/06/2024 00:09

Inyournewdress · 08/06/2024 00:03

Posters upthread have mentioned several routes from Pedi to Symi:bus (which it seems may have been attempted but not been possible for whatever reason); a 1-2 mile along a built up road; a boat from the marina; a longer coastal path; then more recently the inland paths through the mountains, one of which he has reportedly been seen entering via CCTV.

Is that right? Are those routes all there, and what might influence someone to choose a particular one? If anyone knows the area.

Before anyone asks I don’t know why I feel compelled to try and understand what routes there are, but I do. I am so hoping that the case will have a happy ending and I am trying to follow it and getting so confused.

Yes to all those paths, I think. I made a crap map earlier which tallies with what you’re saying:

B = beach
P = Pedi
White line is boat route.
Red line is the easy path, which he did.
Blue lines are possible routes from Pedi to home.

Roughly!

Thread 2 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk
JessyCarr · 08/06/2024 00:11

User5463463 · 07/06/2024 23:58

I recall reading that somewhere too but it seems to have been deleted from many of the articles?! Including the Yahoo News one linked above.

Just proof that even reputable mainstream media will publish any type of bollocks lifted from other websites based on quotes from a random person, as long as it gets them clicks and ad revenue.

Yes I remain very wary of the cut-and-paste story about the mountain path which seems to have pinged its way around the clickbait sites. The BBC and the Guardian have not used it, for whatever reason.

User5463463 · 08/06/2024 00:18

Found a few more reference to the 3 hours but it sounds like absolute exaggerated bullshit from one person. There is no route longer than 1 hour going to Symi. Even if he followed the road that cars use which involves two very long hairpin bends up and down a hill, it would only take slightly over an hour. The Daily Mail has a image implying he entered a mountain path at the far end of the bay (near Irene Apartments Pedi). On satellite image, the only path here meanders upwards in a U shape and then ends. There is no visible trail anymore. Surely his own sense of orientation would tell him this was the wrong direction as he would have been able to see St Nicholas beach across the bay at that point. Arguably, following that route would take more than 3 hours because he was literally lost, and not attempting a long hike.

Justrelax · 08/06/2024 00:20

User5463463 · 08/06/2024 00:18

Found a few more reference to the 3 hours but it sounds like absolute exaggerated bullshit from one person. There is no route longer than 1 hour going to Symi. Even if he followed the road that cars use which involves two very long hairpin bends up and down a hill, it would only take slightly over an hour. The Daily Mail has a image implying he entered a mountain path at the far end of the bay (near Irene Apartments Pedi). On satellite image, the only path here meanders upwards in a U shape and then ends. There is no visible trail anymore. Surely his own sense of orientation would tell him this was the wrong direction as he would have been able to see St Nicholas beach across the bay at that point. Arguably, following that route would take more than 3 hours because he was literally lost, and not attempting a long hike.

In his right mind, I'm sure he wouldn't think of it. But if he had heatstroke, or was in the grip of a medical episode, he may just have been thinking it was the quickest way back. If he's been there before he may even have walked that way before.

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