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Thread 48 - Sunak - Capsized on the Ship of Lies

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DuncinToffee · 06/06/2024 14:12

4 weeks to go

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5086112-thread-47-sunak-the-ship-of-fools-sails-on?page=40&reply=135817929

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CassieMaddox · 10/06/2024 11:26

My dad is in that category. He will only abstain or vote Tory. The lack of opposition line is playing well with him.

tobee · 10/06/2024 11:59

Wondering what @itsgettingweird thinks about likelihood of Braverman defecting and the the wider fallout if she does defect.

RafaistheKingofClay · 10/06/2024 12:07

https://x.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1800116933951734161

For those that use Twitter the FT link here will take you to summary of LD manifesto. Unsurprisingly money for health and social care, cleaning up waterways which is expected. Also rural support which makes sense. Rejoining EU as long term aim with rejoining single market as short term goal.

x.com

https://x.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1800116933951734161

user8800 · 10/06/2024 12:09

My MPs fb ads are getting weirder and weirder...

Check out hunter gatherer if you fancy a laugh 👀😬

user8800 · 10/06/2024 12:10

Edit: hunt and gather reporting video

RafaistheKingofClay · 10/06/2024 12:14

Just spotted this ad on the thread. Not sure we’re its target audience. Hope the lurkers spot the plan if they get it too!

Thread 48 - Sunak - Capsized on the Ship of Lies
user8800 · 10/06/2024 12:38

Plan?
I just thought you'd find it funny ....

user8800 · 10/06/2024 12:39

Well, LDs want to get rid of spousal veto, so that's that 🤷

pointythings · 10/06/2024 12:51

user8800 · 10/06/2024 12:39

Well, LDs want to get rid of spousal veto, so that's that 🤷

But the spousal veto is a relic that doesn't help anyone. It's a piece of paper that means nothing. Both parties involved are presumably adults, so the person transitioning needs to accept that if they transition, this may end their marriage. The other spouse doesn't need a veto - they need a divorce if the situation is unacceptable to them. It would be for me and I would proceed to divorce in that situation.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2024 12:57

pointythings · 10/06/2024 12:51

But the spousal veto is a relic that doesn't help anyone. It's a piece of paper that means nothing. Both parties involved are presumably adults, so the person transitioning needs to accept that if they transition, this may end their marriage. The other spouse doesn't need a veto - they need a divorce if the situation is unacceptable to them. It would be for me and I would proceed to divorce in that situation.

On a loosely related subject, the BBC is running stories of up to 6 years (and counting) for some cases to come to court. Meaning defendants can't get/become divorced as they won't know their financial status.

user8800 · 10/06/2024 13:01

pointythings · 10/06/2024 12:51

But the spousal veto is a relic that doesn't help anyone. It's a piece of paper that means nothing. Both parties involved are presumably adults, so the person transitioning needs to accept that if they transition, this may end their marriage. The other spouse doesn't need a veto - they need a divorce if the situation is unacceptable to them. It would be for me and I would proceed to divorce in that situation.

I suggest you read the trans widows thread

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/06/2024 13:23

Hi everyone, I've finally caught up with the thread. Sunak's antics last week scrambled my brain.😵‍💫 First the lie that was his only argument during the debate. Then D-day desertion.

Thinking about it made me queasy,🤢 so did useful, RL stuff instead of internetting

Our PM is a monumentally stupid man who holds us all in contempt!😒🤥😒

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2024 13:51

Braverman wants to bring Reform into the Conservative Party -

A Reform UK candidate claimed the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.
Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".

Gribbin posted on the UnHerd website.
UnHerd is owned by Paul Marshall who also owns GBNews.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

L1ttledrummergirl · 10/06/2024 13:53

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2024 10:04

BREAKING: Douglas Ross is to resign as leader of the Scottish Conservatives

x.com/politlcsuk/status/1800089857085112806?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

It's interesting that he only intends to stand down as an SMP if he wins a seat as an MP.

He clearly has no confidence in his own abilities but is intent on clinging onto power.

pointythings · 10/06/2024 13:55

user8800 · 10/06/2024 13:01

I suggest you read the trans widows thread

Why would I want to do that? I view someone transitioning without divorcing first in the same light as someone who cheats. It's devastating, but marriages end and shit happens. It is not somehow worse for a spouse to transition than it is for a spouse to cheat or turn abusive. Been there, done that.

BIossomtoes · 10/06/2024 14:00

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2024 13:51

Braverman wants to bring Reform into the Conservative Party -

A Reform UK candidate claimed the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.
Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".

Gribbin posted on the UnHerd website.
UnHerd is owned by Paul Marshall who also owns GBNews.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

Goodness. He’s really going for the female vote, isn’t he? Hopefully there aren’t enough fascists in Bexhill for him to retain his deposit. In a weird way Reform candidates like this are doing us all a favour, they highlight what a rabble of lunatics they are.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 10/06/2024 14:01

cakeorwine · 10/06/2024 13:44

At some point, we are going to get fewer companies exporting to us

Post-Brexit ‘mess’ as Italian driver’s lorry held for 55 hours at UK border post | Brexit | The Guardian

Can you imagine the uproar if a British driver had been held up in Calais like this?

Considering the uproar when I British driver had his ham sandwiches confiscated, I'll assume it'd be a declaration of war.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 10/06/2024 14:07

Notonthestairs · 10/06/2024 13:51

Braverman wants to bring Reform into the Conservative Party -

A Reform UK candidate claimed the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.
Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".

Gribbin posted on the UnHerd website.
UnHerd is owned by Paul Marshall who also owns GBNews.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

This election is just a cesspit of humanity. Somebody make it stop!

Saucery · 10/06/2024 14:15

Tory MP actually leafleting us this time Shock. Couple of SPaG errors and a scattering of outright lies but they had a dog with them so now I’m totally undecided. Wink

dontcallmelen · 10/06/2024 14:22

MrTiddlesTheCat · 10/06/2024 14:07

This election is just a cesspit of humanity. Somebody make it stop!

In total agreement, Reform are becoming more & more awful as the days go on I’m not sure I have the stomach for three weeks left of them spewing vile views.

countrygirl99 · 10/06/2024 14:28

DH has just seen those Reform candidate comments. He reckons his wife must have left him for a nicer man.

Saucery · 10/06/2024 14:30

She could have left him for a common garden slug and it would still be an improvement.

Bigcoatlady · 10/06/2024 14:34

The Reform response on that is more horrifying 'His historical perspective of what the UK could have done in the 30s was shared by the vast majority of the British establishment including the BBC of its day, and is probably true.'

That seems to be both wrong in fact - from early 1938 most British people knew war was inevitable, they just wanted to avoid and/or delay it whilst we built up our military capacity. And wrong morally - with 20/20 hindsight the Nazi plans always involved invasions of other European countries so appeasement was always just placating bullies. Its an open debate whether or not if we'd gone to war earlier with less resource and a less clearcut case for action than the invasion of Poland that would have had a better outcome.

But this take seems to be its for other countries to choose if they want to be lead by facists and commit genocide...

Which we all knew was Reform's position but its fucking indefensible. Its also why a Reform takeover of the Tories would mean the end of the Tories. We'd need a new centre right party to evolve to replace them because the Tories would just be a far-right populist party.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2024 14:38

Bigcoatlady · 10/06/2024 14:34

The Reform response on that is more horrifying 'His historical perspective of what the UK could have done in the 30s was shared by the vast majority of the British establishment including the BBC of its day, and is probably true.'

That seems to be both wrong in fact - from early 1938 most British people knew war was inevitable, they just wanted to avoid and/or delay it whilst we built up our military capacity. And wrong morally - with 20/20 hindsight the Nazi plans always involved invasions of other European countries so appeasement was always just placating bullies. Its an open debate whether or not if we'd gone to war earlier with less resource and a less clearcut case for action than the invasion of Poland that would have had a better outcome.

But this take seems to be its for other countries to choose if they want to be lead by facists and commit genocide...

Which we all knew was Reform's position but its fucking indefensible. Its also why a Reform takeover of the Tories would mean the end of the Tories. We'd need a new centre right party to evolve to replace them because the Tories would just be a far-right populist party.

Quisling.