Thread 48 - Sunak - Capsized on the Ship of Lies

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No wonder the attacks on Starmer have ramped up, they are shit scared

That article is staggering and. I honestly don't think Sunak will last another week. He's got the sky debate on weds.

Starmer needs to be razor sharp on Wednesday. I hope he’s getting some good coaching sessions.

I don’t see how he can go on, but what’s the alternative at this point?

🙏

Here’s what these Tory candidates have signed up to 😬surely he has to throw them out of the party

Thank you for the recommendation @SerendipityJane .

Feel it's odd that children don't seem to get taught about apartheid and Irish history in the U.K. at school but maybe I'm out of date.

Is it plain "extreme right" or is it "populism". Is there actually a difference? Maybe "extreme right" parties are organised "populism"?

I'm probably parochial but I can't think of successful "extreme left populism" in recent times unless you count Corbynism. But that doesn't seem to equate.

What does point 4 mean? They want to eliminate them from society , or from being in the Equality Act??

I took it as meaning there would no longer be positive discrimination or quotas for recruitment etc for any of the characteristics covered by the Equality Act. I haven’t looked at Reclaim’s policies though

I think that's American?

Normality.

Ha! Ha! Me and the dc are watching (a repeat) of Heatwave:- Summer of '76. On channel 5 plus 1. The year I turned 8!! The first year we went on a plane holiday as family, to Spanish islands 🤦🏻‍♀️

(4 years before Sunak was born!!)

I’ve been watching that too, so many memories 🌞

It's weird for me that I have to explain to my dc (in their 20s) about the very recent history of South Africa. They know about Mandela of course. But not being alive during the atrocities of the white South African governments, police etc. featured on the news regularly . @tobee

My family left South Africa in the mid 60s (I was 3, db was 1) because of apartheid. My father apparently already had a secret police file because of his activities at Uni (where he'd been "converted" to be anti-apartheid by his mentor, who was to become my godfather). They weren't 100% sure that they would be allowed to leave and weren't going to tell my mother's parents the departure details (as they were the only ones who could have told the secret police that we were leaving, as dad was going to sell his farm to his brother and was keeping it very quiet - it was not on the open market: dad saw the file on him on the car seat of the guy "enquiring" about the farm being on the market )

I was therefore brought up to be very aware of what was going on and actively supported both the economic and sporting boycotts (I used to make a point of telling greengrocers that I couldn't wouldn't buy their fruit because it came from SA.

I had loads of arguments at Uni with friends about why the boycott mattered - and why the sports boycott particularly mattered as that was what was getting through to the "ordinary" white South African who had rhetorical vote for whom sport was a religion.

Ds studying PIR at Uni was due in large part because of how much we talked about this sort of thing: not just at home but also at our weekly dinners with my dad (his grandfather). He is still very interested in what is happening in SA (and the recent elections) but his particular area of interest is the Chinese oppression of the Uyghurs.

At least what was happening in SA was mostly happening in the glare of publicity (eg Biko) whereas the Chinese are able to hide and obfuscate what is happening to the Uyghurs

I remember reading somewhere that both right and left come together like a horseshoe with similar authoritarian instincts. Unfortunately recent world events seem to be demonstrating the truth of that

They don't seem to have noticed that the ULEZ ship has sailed, really, in that most people who had non-compliant cars have replaced them. There is also a hell of a large proportion of the London population that doesn't have a car and if anything quite likes breathing clean air.

The Crank Party:

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/09/crank-tory-candidates-accused-of-sharing-online-conspiracy-theories

It's interesting that Cameron is reported to have said he advised Sunak strongly against leaving the D Day celebrations but Sunak ignored him. How stupid do you have to be to ignore your Foreign Secretary who is an ex Prime Minister?

My MP is a total crank
I actually think they've had some sort of MH crisis
Anti vaxx, joined reclaim, sent out leaflets that spelt their own name wrong, then left and became independent...
Also claims we are at war with Russia and that's why we sunak called a GE
👀😬

I don't think sunak listens to anyone.

Interesting point. None of these four can realistically assume they'll keep their seats.

There is a funny story about the Tory candidate now standing in Gove's constituency Surrey Heath.
He posted getting the keys to his new place in said constituency but it was quickly pointed out that it was an air bnb property and available to rent after 5th July.

Listing has now diappeared but there are plenty screenshots going round.

😂

I remembered you left South Africa as a child @prettybird. Thank you for the further detail - very interesting to read.

I think you might now be the poster with the worst MP.

I met a few South Africans over the years who similarly fled apartheid. And my DM was very early in the game of boycotting things. No SA oranges in our house.

Funnily enough I recently worked with a guy from Port Elizabeth (been renamed now). He was in his 30s so my memory was his history.

Anyway, the memes keep coming. I reckon ChatGPT has become so well trained it can just knock them out by itself now. Maybe Rish! needs to devote the rest of his existence on this mortal plane as a tech bro working on how to get "AI" to forget.

I'm not quite sure what you need to be a tech bro these days. Clearly no usable IT skills or indeed competence. Maybe it's astrology, Has anyone checked Rish! horoscope. (Yes, one "r" that's not a mistake).