Thread 48 - Sunak - Capsized on the Ship of Lies

[DuncinToffee]

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Dead but won't lie down.

How can he get away with this and why isn't it community noted? I'm sure a day or two ago some of his recent posts were CN but they don't seem to be now.

Don't do twitter but looking at how the algorithm for community noting works it would be v easy to game by ensuring you had a deluge of conservative activists disagreeing with every community note raised - that wd reduce the status of each note raised as the algorithm relies on agreement between contributors to verify their content.

So it'll be that

It's their main attack line even if it's bollocks so of course they'll keep using it. Mordaunt being all over it yesterday in the debate and their deranged set of policies shows how little they have otherwise. Their basic position seems to be vote for us cos cos cos it's not fair I haven't finished my turn yet why should he have a go.

@Evenstar Thank you for that. As @prettybird says, at its best SI was far more than 'funny', it could raise hairs. Now we have Led by Donkeys, who do wonderful work. And Jonathan Pie's 'election reports' - esp re immigration. But there's still a gap where SI used to be.

I was disappointed with Mordaunt last night, I thought she was better than that. I may have lived with a Tory for too long but she’s one of the very few I have always quite liked. I do hope someone will explain to them that aggressively shouting over the opposition is a very ineffective debating strategy.

At the risk of invoking Godwin, it worked for Hitler.

I didn’t see all of the debate, was heartened that Farage didn’t appear to have much support, agree Carla was very calm Daisy appeared to hold her own Angela wasn’t dreadful, Penny has ditched swishy hair in favour of channelling the Thatcher look I’m presuming to bolster her claim on being the next leader of the conservatives, the other two chaps (can’t remember the names) spoke well.
yay for your student Piggy so agree good political satire is sadly missing from our TV screens spitting image was so clever I still remember poor John Major the tucked in underpants & peas.

so agree good political satire is sadly missing from our TV screens spitting image was so clever I still remember poor John Major the tucked in underpants & peas.

There is an excellent book about that time by John O Farrell (never quite made it Labour candidate) who was one of the writers. He feels in retrospect some of it backfired and actually generated sympathy for the Tories. Especially the scene of Thatcher leaving no. 10 and turning the lights off.

(Finds Kindle ... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Things-Can-Only-Get-Better/dp/0552998036)

Just looking at the snap poll and dp said "I wonder why mordaunt did so badly compared to Sunak"
I think it shows the public tolerate pointing and shouting from a woman far less than from a man.

Penny definitely took one for the team last night.

Also looks like the bots have been refocused to Reform, which is interesting

That’s about it to be honest…
Was nice to see so many (other) women doing well - quick witted, calm, getting their points across clearly though.

Also looks like the bots have been refocused to Reform, which is interesting

This time around, The Brexit Party Reform are almost exclusively hurting the Tories. And while those two fight it out (you would have thought a party devoted to history would know the folly of fighting on two fronts) Labour are sitting pretty. It is the ultimate nightmare scenario for those that wanted the Tory party to become the home of right wing nutters. Which at this stage of the game seems to be the entire Tory party.

Best outcome of all this will be Reforms share of the vote exceeding the Tories (possible, but improbable) and yet still get no seats. Because I suspect that will start a push for PR across the losers.

I hope this hasn't been posted before ...

More in Common poll on last night, look away Pen

If this election was a concert, then where are the old favourites ? The encores ? The classics ?

It seems we are seeing what "Jazz Odyssey" would look like if left to the Tories. Maybe they need to revive that idea about a jack the ripper musical ...

"Saucy Jack ... you're a naughty one;
Saucy Jack, you're a haughty one ..."

^^

https://x.com/Peston/status/1799356939945513340

Boris Johnson today calls Starmer “Sir Keir Schnorrer” (see attached). “Schnorrer” is the Yiddish word for beggar and scrounger. It is pretty offensive. It was part of the lingua franca of my grandparents and of my childhood. I find it unsettling to see Johnson appropriating it to describe someone whose wife is Jewish - and especially when he says “if Schnorrer gets in, he will immediately begin the process of robbing this country of its new-found independence
and make the UK the punk of the EU”.
What do you think? Am I being over sensitive?

Just seen that @DuncinToffee disgusting oaf, there was a picture of him yesterday where someone asked if he was living in the hedge you could see in the background. Hard to believe he was ever the Prime Minister

That's incredibly offensive. It's antisemitic and ableist too. It's also not going to win back the centrist Tories that the party so desperately needs; quite the opposite.

Gross. But then Johnson also has a track record of racism.

Doesn’t he just, nasty man.

https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1799105249678143891

So the Conservatives are standing in 630 of the 632 seats in Great Britain - the exceptions are the Speaker's seat, Chorley, and Rotherham where they had a late withdrawal. The Tories are also fighting five of the 18 seats in Northern Ireland.

Conservatives have failed to field a candidate in Rotherham.

This means that there will be no Conservative candidate in the seat for the first time since 1935

Gross racism: 'Letterboxes' 'watermelon smiles' etc. Revolting.
Yet the UK voted for him.
I have relatives in Kent who voted Brexit & would vote for BJ and Farage (& Trump if they were in the US) again.
I've tried to talk to them but they are completely closed minded. What's ironic is that this family came over from a country which was part of the British Empire in the 1940s (local lass met UK soldier & moved back after WW2). Now rant on about 'forriners'.
The cognitive dissonance is amazing. I get that Rish!, Kemi, Cruella, Dimly etc are saying it for votes so may not actually believe it, but Kent rellies do!

I thought I was beyond being shocked by anything Johnson said or wrote. He’s just proved me wrong. 🤢

There was an interview a few days ago with a man from Clacton ranting about immigrants

his wife is from India

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1799343820150304997.html

The 2024 General Election has

4,519 candidates from 98 parties.

The candidates are approximately 69% male.

Every seat has between 5 (89 seats) and 13 (Richmond and Northallerton) candidates. An average of 7.

I'm genuinely shocked by that from BJ - mainly because the gloating Tories like to think they have the moral upper hand with anti Semitism (we all know this isn't true but it's what many think).