Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Just that really. Will he be found?

Uh no they wouldn’t jeez we even get warning in uk for elderly and vulnerable to be careful if it ever exceeds 30c here!!

Of course its perfectly normal to go for a short walk alone. In the heat, after saying you don't feel great, without a phone or water, unwise.

Wheres that?

I've never seen those types of warnings?

That doesn't make sense.

Because people in their 60s+ go on hols to Spain every year. The temperature is high there.

I just googled and apparently the definition of elderly is in fact over 65. I think that’s crazy, as to me elderly means 80+. But there you go.

If he was unwell and tired why did he decide to walk back anyway.

It was a long walk wasn't it.

Wouldn't you get a taxi

I am in my sixties. No one is talking about most people in their sixties barely able to move. Simply that as you age adverse events affect your body more. Our bodies are older and that has an impact whether you choose to deny it or not.

It seems this poor person made an unwise choice.

Its Amazing that by some medical definitions "elderly' is 65.

Yet the government says that you're totally fit to work until 67

They don't think you're elderly and unable to do things, when they want you to work!

I honestly think people are so sucked into selling of lifestyle/health. It was his job/income. A few squats and losing weight does not make you healthy, perhaps healthier than you were before but he seemingly had a family history of heart disease. Quote below from Guardian.

“I did a test recently on Horizon and they found that I had partial blockage in one of my coronary arteries. It was a bit freaky and I’m still aware of it. No male in my family has made it beyond 72.”

He was not someone who should have jumped off a plane from uk and attempted a 2km trek in 40+c. That’s blindingly obvious!

Looks there the water taxis are infrequent.

Maybe he didn’t want to wait 2 hours or more for next one.

The bus stop sighting - was this the same as cafe CCTV sighting ( now discounted )with similar looking man?

1. Man like him seen in similar clothing with a woman walking. His wife has said not him.
2. Man like him seen talking to someone at bus stop.

Something in later report makes me think 2 above not yet discounted?

I'm not even in my sixties

. I've just turned forty.

So theres no need foe me to be in denial about it, personally.

However I disagree that the minute we turn 65, everyone's bodies become weaker.

I've just seen so many 60 and 70 year olds at my hiking groups.

They are bursting with health, climbing up very big hills.

Yes 65 is geriatric in medical terms. I think we've lost sight of that because people are living longer. 65 appears young compared to 85, but it's still elderly.

He could’ve got heat stroke/exhaustion/fallen/heart issues/bitten by a snake but hopefully he had water and a snack with him. If he has had any of those then he’ll find it harder to make contact with someone as he has no phone and doesn’t know the island. Also a lot of Greeks don’t speak English but they’d probably get him access to a phone. As I said before as he’s fit and healthy he’s got more chances than someone who’s not fit and healthy. Hopefully he knows first aid too which he could administer to himself.

Some reports are saying it was a 1k walk and 20 minutes but I’ve also read 2.2 miles and an hour and a half. Do we know which is correct? As that would make a huge difference.

If it was such a busy path surely he was spotted by someone on that path?

It’s a small island so it’s unusual that someone matching his description with similar clothes was spotted in the vicinity. But we’ll have to accept that wasn’t him.

Sadly, as someone else said. If it appears as though someone has vanished in to thin air near to water, the likelihood is that they are in the water. That is why they haven’t been found.

I wondered if he jumped in the sea to cool down and maybe suffered cold water shock. But his bag etc would have been found. It does look like something happened to cause him to fall in.

I am in Athens and it is stiflingly hot. Symi is similar because its further south.

I keep hoping some kindly yaiya has taken him in and is feeding him up and time has passed them by...

I'm 71 and I don't consider myself young any more, despite my sister insisting that I am.
I certainly can't do the things I used to do in my forties and fifties.

The problem is that younger people don't actually know what they will be like in their late sixties. It's a fact that your body slows down.
Of course there is the exception of 80 year olds running marathons, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Very sadly, I think the most likely explanation is that he has suffered some kind of medical emergency and is in the sea. Otherwise, in such a small place, he would have been found by now.

This is what I'm hoping too. That he might've lost his memory again and been taken in by someone without a TV.

It's not elderly in terms of frail and unable to undertake activities. That's just ridiculous.

If you have underlying health conditions that's different. Clearly as we age we're more likely to have underlying health conditions, in which case we're more frail but I don't think it helps older people to suggest they're elderly and should act like a frail person just because they are 65.

Probably because she knows him well and knows what is and isn't out of character for him and this presumably didn't seem so (even if feeling a bit unwell? That could mean many things. Just that he was tired after the trip over and needed a sleep, you wouldn't necessarily think that was abnormal). They were out and about, she wouldn't have realised until they got back to where they were staying and you don't know what the other options to get back were, doesn't sound like there were many. She might have tried phoning and not got an answer, since he didn't have his phone, but even then, you wouldn't necessarily instantly think 'oh no, something must have happened' and call the police immediately.

I agree that walking back in the heat without your phone when you're not feeling great is not the best idea though and perhaps a doctor should have known better, but easy to say in retrospect.

Does anyone know what the particular risks and dangers on that stretch of the walk he did are? It wasn't a very long walk...

Was it high up? Risk of falling down rocks into the sea? Or getting trapped, falling down crevices? Easy to get lost, go off the track?

I hope he is found safe but am sadly doubtful at ths stage...if he is lying injured or trapped somewhere he will be really dehydrated and ill by now, esepcially if he has blood loss

Sendng hope and kind thoughts to him and his family

From the British Heart Foundation. These warnings do go out in uk when we have a hot spell.

You’d think though he’d get them to ring or find someone with a phone to ring his wife or local authorities if he’s forgotten her number so people know he’s ok especially as he said he was feeling unwell to his wife before he set off.

It's due to pension and medical purposes.

Senior citizens / Elderly = over 60 / 65 (traditionally) for pensionable purposes.

Over 65 is elderly for medical purposes as many risk factors (generally) are greater as we age.

Many years ago, elderly was considered even younger from a medical perspective (when balancing factors such as risk and contraindications for example)

A bit like being diagnosed with Arthritis at 49 is considered to be 'early onset'. Being diagnosed with Arthritis at 51 is considered 'age related wear and tear'.

It is actually quite feasible on the islands. I pray it is something like this.