Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Just that really. Will he be found?

This is exactly my point! People are talking about his love for hiking like it's a stroll around an Alpine lake but 38-40C in Greece is not a scenic or leisurely "walk". The coastal paths have no foliage or shade at all and it sounds like a gruelling experience.

I wonder if it's telling that he headed back because he felt tired. When did you last "feel tired" on a beach, and what did you do about it? Fall asleep? The fact that he was trying to get back to where they were staying suggests that he wasn't feeling well.

This too. If he really loved hiking and wanted to explore the coastal path then it would have been planned into their itinerary of the day. Ditto if he knew he would get bored at the beach and intended to leave early as a PP mentioned. And most crucially, he would have been prepared with water, suitable footwear and a cellphone.

It sounded much more like an unexpected turn of events, most likely he felt unwell or had a headache and wanted to get home as soon as possible to rest. It was clearly something more severe than being able to cure it by taking a nap on the beach. From what I understand, their villa was quite a bit further than 1km (which is only the coastal stretch). Someone mentioned it might have been 50mins of walking, or a bus ride there.

I don't find anything suspicious in it at all. All of the behaviour seems entirely normal to me. I hope he's found safe and well but it must be so worrying for the family and friends not knowing what happened. They must be beside themselves.

That sounds the most likely thing to me. As a pp mentioned, being on the beach under a parasol and with a sea-breeze, none of them may have realised the high temperature at the time he set off. It's 40ºC where I am at the moment and at a bit older than MM, I'm staying inside an air-conditioned room, not even going for a dip in the cool shaded pool till this evening.

Just amazed at the stupidity

@Oaktree55 your comments are nasty. At least wait until you actually know what happened before being spiteful.

God you do know that there are elderly people in Mediterranean countries right? And they manage to survive hot weather. Also the temperature was not pushing 40, it was low 30s. Hot but not extreme to the extent that someone would die from walking in it. People are acting as if his wife and friends merrily sat by while he jumped into a volcano. I’m also guessing they’re all around similar ages so not sure who should have escorted him back as they would presumably also be equally frail and unable to handle the heat.

I'm quite surprised at people thinking that fifties and sixties are old.

How old are some of the people on here?

People in their 20s and 30s seem to think that everyone over 35 is ancient.

It makes me laugh sometimes.

I remember going to a group when I was in my thirties.

There was a man in his twenties sitting beside me there.

He said to me "wow you are old you look good for your age" i said to him "30s are young!"

I was about 35. In what planet is 35 old. Its not.

I sometimes feel its very strange how some people in their 20s think.

Its like they think that only people who are in their twenties should exist.

And everyone else is too old to function. And that you can't possibly walk in your fifties and sixties

DH got heatstroke exactly the same way, under an umbrella but in strong ambient heat. This was in Italy and the temps were a good 5C less than Greece. He also had some cocktails which were probably dehydrating (and if a group of friends meet on a beach it's reasonable to assume there might be alcohol consumption). DH is much younger and reasonably fit but the heatstroke hit out of nowhere and he had to go lie down in a dark room for the rest of the day. He was actually convinced he had covid since he believed he stayed in the shade. But after sleeping it off, it was clearly heatstroke and dehydration.

Also, his wife is not “supposedly” a doctor. She is a doctor. Full stop. As is he (although not practising).

Just read on the BBC website - a lady who is friends with the person MM is staying with has said that "the walk would have been a 20 minute walk down the side of a mountain, not overly rugged or something that would have been seen as dangerous. It's something that tourists do everyday and that the situation is worrying given the amount of people that walk it everyday without problems."

It's different when you are from there or spent years acclimatising. I lived in the ME for 4 years and it still took my breath away just existing in those temperatures in my 20s. Nevermind being in my 60s and walking up hills

Apparently the paths/route he’d have taken is v populated. So even if an accident or mishap he’d be seen, found, discovered.

Exactly this. Even if they did call him once he should have been back, and were concerned at not getting an answer, the water taxis to and fro the beach and Pedi aren’t ‘taxis’ as such, but water buses which leave and pick up to a timetable, so unless the remaining party also wanted to walk, lugging all the associated beach ‘stuff’, I imagine they would have had to wait for the next timetabled ‘bus’. They may have been infrequent, maybe mid afternoon, then early evening?

The Daily Mail describes the heat yesterday when he went missing as 'unbearable'.

Yep , true, some people just have overreactive imaginations .

I am a couple of years younger than him. I don't take my phone everywhere so all this speculation about the phone seems bizarre to me, in fact the last time I visited Symi, mobile phones did not exist. I wish they had because I saw Michael Caine there and would have asked him for a selfie. I really hope this Michael is found somewhere safe and well.

The last photo of him shows him with a hat, sunglasses and a rucksack. For all we know his group could have assumed he had his phone and water in his bag. The path doesn't look that arduous. I think most people wouldn't question this scenario (only with hindsight)

@Carly944 50s/60s isn't old in my opinion (though know some people that age who act like they are) but it is still an age where extreme conditions can affect people quicker, even when in peak health.

Wow really helpful, bet that will find him.🙄

I’m sure they would given they are prone to overdramatising. Maybe it was a blip then because today and for the next ten days, max temperatures are in the low 30s.

Same. It's turning into a sort of grown-up Madeleine McCann opportunity for holier-than-thou-ness. The whole point of a holiday is that you relax. You don't tend to operate as though tragedy is waiting to strike.

For those saying 50s and 60s is not old, well the man is nearly 70 and has had some health difficulties. It would be a strain to walk in that heat in the middle of the day for anyone I would have thought.

@PassingStranger I was quoting @Oaktree55

It’s the DM’s raison d’etre to amp up the scant information they have to drum up clicks. I wouldn’t trust them to report the time of day correctly….

These heatstroke etc comments are odd. Very odd. Because logically he’d have been found if it was that.

I agree. Everyday on. Holiday people will head back to a villa on their own without incident. Having watched that YouTube video posted earlier upthread it does look a bit steep up from the beach but falling into the sea seems less plausible as it looks quite far from the path (there is t a sheer drop directly into the sea) and the sea looks quite shallow and quite calm. If he. just fell on the path or rocks he would be clearly visible. So it does suggest the idea that he ventured off route and met a hazard somewhere else.