Madeleine McCann new evidence - BREAKING NEWS

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A Senior German detective has told a court that investigators had found emails on a Hotmail account used by Christian Brueckner that linked him directly to the Madeleine McCann case.

However, the detective was unable to share details of the evidence as it was 'related to the killing' of Madeleine. Brueckner, the prime suspect, is currently on trial in Germany for unrelated sex crimes.

It was interesting to see the posts from 06! I'd forgotten MN was that old, as it's way before my time.

A couple of posts earlier in the thread have referenced people who did actually used to leave their kids rewriting history about it after Madeleine vanished. That's probably not unique. It's a behaviour that's clearly become much more taboo now than it was 20 years ago, so people who did it would have an incentive to lie/convince themselves.

The difficulty with my parenting is as the child gets older, how do you help them assess risk?

This is the tricky thing. Our children learn from us, so it's hard to find the right balance. If you have a very lax approach to safety, your children will likely be the same, and that can lead to situations like the McCanns. They've probably left their kids alone plenty of times before and just been lucky that nothing bad happened.

But on the other hand, if you're stiflingly strict about your children's safety, they might go the opposite way because they can only see the things they've missed out on rather than the harm that was avoided.

Then there are people like me, whose parents' ignorant/lax approach to safety resulted in me being sexually abused more than once(!), who now stays awake at night worrying about all the things that could happen to my children when I'm not with them to protect them. But at least I'm alive to worry. Madeleine likely isn't so lucky.

It’s inconvenient having to take your small children with you everywhere and I understand why people give into temptation to leave them for a short period of time. There have been times when I had to do a school run and had a sleeping baby I was tempted to just run for it. I didn’t, I woke them up, but maybe if other things in life had been different I would have so I understand how these things happen.

Most people are neither bad nor good but somewhere in the middle. The reason they don’t leave small children is not simply fear of danger but also social sanction in that it anything were to happen to their children, they would face people thinking poorly of them, as well as possible legal consequences.

The McCanns subverted this process very cleverly through focusing on the hypothesis of a stranger abduction. I feel sorry for them but can’t help but notice this.

People talking about risk assessment are totally off base here. I believe we should allow children more independence not less and am very supportive of my older primary age children (8+) developing independence in making their own way around the local area and to activities, also staying in the house for short times alone. This is age appropriate independence and while it comes with a risk which does worry me it helps them develop independence so I tolerate the risk. They are comfortable with it and want to walk to their friends house or park or I would accompany them.

A three year old and a baby cannot consent to being left and if they could certainly wouldn’t do, all they want is to be near their parents. Children that small have no possible gain from being left alone, only the risk of tragic consequences.

Crazy how the OP here talks about the likelihood of a fire, but fairly recently (late 2021?) a young mum quite local to me left her 4 children under 5 to go to the shops, only to come back and find that the Christmas lights had caught fire, and all 4 little boys had died 😢

I know! I just don't think it's quite so 'no one ever did it' as people are now saying. The threads I've linked have a decent number of 'I do' 'should I' etc

I think it’s extremely unlikely that the parents would have been able to dispose of a body and cover up any evidence of an injury, accidental or otherwise, in the timeframe. You’d have to be a criminal mastermind to pull something like that off. And there were two of them, remember. What’s the likelihood that they’d both go along with it and then cover it up for 20 years? Partners in crime always end up blaming each other, and usually by the end of the first police interview.

However, it seems just as unlikely that a random kidnapper struck lucky. The child was a poor sleeper and the door was ajar. She probably wandered off and got lost somewhere.

However, it seems just as unlikely that a random kidnapper struck lucky. The child was a poor sleeper and the door was ajar. She probably wandered off and got lost somewhere.

@User8646382

From what I've read the guy they believe is responsible isn't random as such. He had a history of sneaking into and stealing from hotel rooms. He is currently charged with rape that I believe started off as a burglary.
There was also a disgusting chat room from 2007 that they found on his computer talking to someone In the UK about wanting to take a little girl. So horrendous but after watching the program (Madeline McCann the case against Christian B.) I wonder if he'd been watching and waiting which is absolutely horrifying.

However, it seems just as unlikely that a random kidnapper struck lucky. The child was a poor sleeper and the door was ajar. She probably wandered off and got lost somewhere.

The only thing with that us she left her cuddly toy behind. That was was of the saddest things to me. DS was the same age. His bear went everywhere. It would never occur to him to leave Bear behind if he got out of bed to look for me.

Tourist areas and resorts are goldmines for petty thieves and pickpocketers because they know tourists have local currency and jewellery with them. And people local to the area will know what kind of security (or lack of) these resorts have. It wouldn't have taken much to notice the McCanns and friends' pattern of going out for dinner every evening. All you would have to do is wait for them to leave, enter from the street, look for an open door, then take shit. What might have been just a burglary would easily escalate to needing to get rid of a witness if a child woke up and got upset. Or it was an opportunistic move after spotting the child alone.

If there was any real evidence he had committed this crime, he would have been charged with it.

While I don’t agree with what the poster above did they don’t leave the 3 year old alone - there is a 10 year old sibling in the house. A 3 year old with a sensible known 10 year old is a very different prospect to a 3 year old alone. I asked my 10 year old to amuse my 4 year old while I took a phonecall the other day. I was in the house the whole time and could hear what was going on but they were perfectly capable of playing nicely for 30 mins and keeping the little one out of my hair. I would never leave them solo in the house (with 4 year old - I do leave the 10 year old short periods alone) but it is different to a lone toddler.

A 10 year old should raise the alert if there is a fire and is capable of calling an adult for help if they are scared. They can easily understand where their parents have gone and when they are expected back and could communicate this to the little one had they woken.

You are right - to not get caught you would have to be extremely clever, cool under pressure, determined and most of all have a lot to lose. Like the McCanns, who were both doctors and used to needing to keep calm and emotionally cool in challenging and charged situations. And had at stake their careers and the care of their younger children.

Oh sure, but even so, it’s a lot more likely that she wandered off if the door was ajar.

The parents have a lot to answer for, in my opinion. They used their powerful connections to influence the course of the investigation and persuade the public, if not the police, that a kidnapper HAD to have been responsible. They did that to save their own necks as they had left the children alone in an unlocked apartment. That’s pretty evil any way you cut it.

@HollyKnight definitely we are so vulnerable. We automatically relax on holiday in the warmth.

We are walking into someone else's spiders Web.
People who know it, live there people who watch us come and go and instantly know we are strangers.

I'm sure I read something about road works and I wondered if she had fallen in and it had been filled in and somehow no one had seen her. Awful but better than being hurt in other ways that don't need spelling out.

I was on holiday recently in a smallish resort and we had a 2nd floor balcony onto the beach n. It was astonishing how quickly in one week we knew who was around, we could see all human activity on the beach eg one family having a argument and girl storming off, some unattended kids about 12 selling stuff... One lone v attractive woman being watched by v attractive lone man until... Her family turned up!!.. We were in apartment right on beach it would have been very easy had we been bad to snatch a child into our block.

I mean, yes, it’s plausible that they would have been able to act with some detachment. I don’t know how many doctors have psychopathic traits, but I would imagine a fair few.

However, in my opinion (and I don’t present it as fact, just opinion), if the McCanns had acted together to cover up this crime, they would have turned on each other many, many years ago.

Only the bedroom door was slightly ajar. The patio doors and gates were closed but unlocked. A 3-year-old looking for her parents isn't going to open patio doors and gates and then close them all again behind her. I don't know many 3-year-olds who would even go out in the dark. Especially not without their comfort teddy for "protection".

@Superfans it was the first para really, I just included it all for transparency

Similar with me. The family next to us always left around the same time in the morning and returned around the same time in the evening. They locked the door when they left, but if I was so inclined I could have easily hopped onto their balcony and let myself in that way.

So if you think about the McCanns apartment, which was at the end of the building, right next to the gate leading to the street, out of view from people at the restaurant, routinely containing unaccompanied children, it doesn't take much imagination to think a burglar or kidnapper would find that easy pickings.

@HollyKnight - someone above wrote that the patio door was left open to let in a breeze. I haven’t read any of the books about the case or examined any of the evidence, so certainly can’t claim to be an expert. However, if that is correct, it seems logical to me that the most likely scenario is that the child wandered out through the open door.

Why didn’t she take the toy? Perhaps she couldn’t find it. Perhaps she dropped it. Perhaps she didn’t care about it either way. We only really have the mother’s word that she did, and the mother had a big motive to lie.

What motive has the mother got for lying about that, pray tell? The patio door was closed but not locked and none of Madeleine’s finger prints were found on it btw.

The parents’ motive from day 1 has been to control the narrative and persuade the world that the child was kidnapped.

But why? They would only need to do that if they killed and hid her body. They wouldn't need to make up a kidnapping to cover up for her wandering off, like you're suggesting. That doesn't make sense.

If there was any real evidence he had committed this crime, he would have been charged with it

@User8646382
I don't think it's as black and white as that, it's very hard to get a charge with out a body, when you start putting the pieces together though they paint a picture and in my opinion this man is responsible for Madeline's disappearance.
Why do you think the parents did it?
A moment of rage or an accident they have successfully covered up?