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Madeleine McCann new evidence - BREAKING NEWS

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 05/06/2024 18:58

A Senior German detective has told a court that investigators had found emails on a Hotmail account used by Christian Brueckner that linked him directly to the Madeleine McCann case.

However, the detective was unable to share details of the evidence as it was 'related to the killing' of Madeleine. Brueckner, the prime suspect, is currently on trial in Germany for unrelated sex crimes.

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Superfans · 11/06/2024 23:21

HollyKnight · 11/06/2024 23:10

But why? They would only need to do that if they killed and hid her body. They wouldn't need to make up a kidnapping to cover up for her wandering off, like you're suggesting. That doesn't make sense.

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Focusing on an abduction scenario takes the attention away from their neglectful behaviour. I believe the parents know exactly what happened to Madeleine but even if they didn’t and just found her gone as they describe it was clearly in their interests to put public attention on the abduction hypothesis and not on the lack of parental supervision and opportunity for accidents or wandering off.

User8646382 · 11/06/2024 23:23

HollyKnight · 11/06/2024 23:10

But why? They would only need to do that if they killed and hid her body. They wouldn't need to make up a kidnapping to cover up for her wandering off, like you're suggesting. That doesn't make sense.

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Why? Because they left the children alone in an unlocked apartment. If the child got out, it was because she had the opportunity to - because she was not being supervised. On the other hand, if she was taken, it was someone else’s fault and not theirs.

The first scenario is their fault - they were directly responsible. The second scenario (more palatable for them) is the ‘kidnapper’s’ fault.

The ‘kidnapper’ is a distraction in my opinion, a red herring. The child got out and there is no one to blame but them. They should have been watching her.

As for the door, weren’t people in and out all night? The last person to check probably didn’t close it properly.

HollyKnight · 11/06/2024 23:24

Superfans · 11/06/2024 23:21

Focusing on an abduction scenario takes the attention away from their neglectful behaviour. I believe the parents know exactly what happened to Madeleine but even if they didn’t and just found her gone as they describe it was clearly in their interests to put public attention on the abduction hypothesis and not on the lack of parental supervision and opportunity for accidents or wandering off.

Are you kidding? An abduction highlights their neglectful behaviour. People who believe they did nothing wrong by leaving their children alone aren't going to think differently if they learned she had wandered off.

SheilaFentiman · 11/06/2024 23:25

But surely if she had wandered off, unless they knew for sure she was dead, they would want her found more than they cared about “looking good”

User8646382 · 11/06/2024 23:28

SheilaFentiman · 11/06/2024 23:25

But surely if she had wandered off, unless they knew for sure she was dead, they would want her found more than they cared about “looking good”

But that’s where the psychopathic behaviour comes in, isn’t it? Their primary motive was self-preservation.

How could they possibly know for sure that she hadn’t wandered of? Yet for 20 years they haven’t been willing to contemplate any such scenario.

HollyKnight · 11/06/2024 23:29

User8646382 · 11/06/2024 23:23

Why? Because they left the children alone in an unlocked apartment. If the child got out, it was because she had the opportunity to - because she was not being supervised. On the other hand, if she was taken, it was someone else’s fault and not theirs.

The first scenario is their fault - they were directly responsible. The second scenario (more palatable for them) is the ‘kidnapper’s’ fault.

The ‘kidnapper’ is a distraction in my opinion, a red herring. The child got out and there is no one to blame but them. They should have been watching her.

As for the door, weren’t people in and out all night? The last person to check probably didn’t close it properly.

Because they left the children alone in an unlocked apartment. If the child got out, it was because she had the opportunity to - because she was not being supervised.

But this is the exact same reason why she was kidnapped. She was left alone in an unlocked apartment which gave someone the opportunity to take her. Leaving their children alone is their fault. They should have been watching her.

The door was closed. But it was never locked because it couldn't be locked from the outside and her parents couldn't be bothered coming and going through the front door because that would have taken longer to get to.

User8646382 · 11/06/2024 23:32

HollyKnight · 11/06/2024 23:24

Are you kidding? An abduction highlights their neglectful behaviour. People who believe they did nothing wrong by leaving their children alone aren't going to think differently if they learned she had wandered off.

And yet here they are, 20 years later, being voraciously defended despite their obvious neglect. And by the British establishment no less.

HollyKnight · 11/06/2024 23:40

User8646382 · 11/06/2024 23:32

And yet here they are, 20 years later, being voraciously defended despite their obvious neglect. And by the British establishment no less.

Because other people who take the risk of leaving their children home alone won't condemn them. And because there is one rule for the white professional middle-class and another rule for the rest of us.

Plenty of people think they should have been charged with child neglect.

User8646382 · 11/06/2024 23:43

flipflopsandsun · 11/06/2024 23:20

If there was any real evidence he had committed this crime, he would have been charged with it

@User8646382
I don't think it's as black and white as that, it's very hard to get a charge with out a body, when you start putting the pieces together though they paint a picture and in my opinion this man is responsible for Madeline's disappearance.
Why do you think the parents did it?
A moment of rage or an accident they have successfully covered up?

I don’t think the parents did it. I’ve explained why above.

I think the parents wanted the public to believe that a kidnapper did it. For some unfathomable reason, the British government and media helped them to promote this narrative.

It seems clear to me that they cared more about themselves than they did about the child. If they appeared guilty, that’s probably why.

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Serrina · 12/06/2024 00:37

I genuinely don't know what to believe, much of what the McCanns say and do just doesn't seem to make sense. But if we go with the assumption that Madeleine was abducted. Could it be possible that the abductor had been watching the McCanns and their movements over several days? By their own admission, the tapas bar nights were a regular occurrence on this holiday. I don't think it would be too far fetched to say that the abductor (assuming she was abducted) had been tracking the family's movements, what times they went out of an evening, what times they went to check etc. Then took the opportunity.

What doesn't make sense is why weren't the twins also taken?

VibeOnWithMyGalPals · 12/06/2024 07:41

@Serrina I’d assume it was just one person acting alone. How could he take 3 kids?

I always thought it odd that when she realised Madeleine was gone, Kate left the twins and went back to the restaurant to alert the others. I know it was probably before mobile phones, but you’d think you’d stand there screaming for help and not want to leave them?

Having said that, I don’t think the parents had any involvement

kerstina · 12/06/2024 07:55

Someone mentioned Road works do we know any more about this ? How far away from the apartment they were ?
This would draw parallels to the Ben Needham case .

Serrina · 12/06/2024 09:00

VibeOnWithMyGalPals · 12/06/2024 07:41

@Serrina I’d assume it was just one person acting alone. How could he take 3 kids?

I always thought it odd that when she realised Madeleine was gone, Kate left the twins and went back to the restaurant to alert the others. I know it was probably before mobile phones, but you’d think you’d stand there screaming for help and not want to leave them?

Having said that, I don’t think the parents had any involvement

2007 was definitely not before mobile phones. Most people had them at the time. They weren't smart phones like we have today though.

HoppingPavlova · 12/06/2024 09:01

I always thought it odd that when she realised Madeleine was gone, Kate left the twins and went back to the restaurant to alert the others. I know it was probably before mobile phones, but you’d think you’d stand there screaming for help and not want to leave them

Yes, it seems odd. If you discover one child missing, potentially abducted, how do you know another one (at least) is not going to be taken if you leave? You’d stand there screaming for help and when people came out of other rooms, you would ask people to run to the restaurant to alert the others and also alert the police. Presumably standing there screaming for help would get more than 2 people out of other areas of the complex so these tasks could be undertaken simultaneously? Leaving young children alone after discovering one missing seems unusual.

MargaretThursday · 12/06/2024 09:04

VibeOnWithMyGalPals · 12/06/2024 07:41

@Serrina I’d assume it was just one person acting alone. How could he take 3 kids?

I always thought it odd that when she realised Madeleine was gone, Kate left the twins and went back to the restaurant to alert the others. I know it was probably before mobile phones, but you’d think you’d stand there screaming for help and not want to leave them?

Having said that, I don’t think the parents had any involvement

You can't predict how someone will act in that situation.

Dh, who most of the time is a sensible person not given to panic, lost dd2 and ds aged 6 and 3 in the park and walked home (10 minutes) to ask me if they had come home. He had his mobile in his pocket. When I pointed that out he said he'd never thought to phone.

At a paediatric first aid course I did, the trainer told a story of someone who turned up at her GP practice shouting that her baby had stopped breathing. They rushed out to try and resuscitate and found she'd left the baby in the cot some distance away at home.

A friend who got a call from nursery to say her child had broken her arm rushed to pick them up and forgot they had a baby asleep at home. She said if the nursery hadn't commented she'd probably have gone to A&E without him.

I don't think it's that unbelievable that she rushed back leaving the babies.

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2024 09:17

Completely agree - when you are in a panic, one thought can easily override everything. In this case - Madeleine’s gone, get help, get Gerry.

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2024 09:20

re phones - I can’t remember if it was typical to take phones overseas and expect them to work at that point ie when roaming rules came in.

SocoBateVira · 12/06/2024 09:49

The fact is that most people have no idea what's normal in that situation. Few of us have been in it and neither do the majority of people know enough about trauma responses to have an informed opinion. Unless you're one of the tiny percentage of people who fall into one of those categories, you're deluding yourself if you think you know.

HoppingPavlova · 12/06/2024 12:21

There are 101 what if’s and a huge spectrum of possibilities. It ranges from an odd trauma response, to just an odd act, to knowing you can as there is no danger to your other kids. Who knows what the truth of it was, many years later and I doubt anyone is any closer to knowing any which way.

ageratum1 · 12/06/2024 12:46

The acclaimed British sniffer dogs did find blood and cadaver scents in the apartment and behind the sofa found both .

ageratum1 · 12/06/2024 12:46

The acclaimed British sniffer dogs did find blood and cadaver scents in the apartment and behind the sofa found both .

Madeleine McCann new evidence - BREAKING NEWS
prh47bridge · 12/06/2024 16:23

ageratum1 · 12/06/2024 12:46

The acclaimed British sniffer dogs did find blood and cadaver scents in the apartment and behind the sofa found both .

Which is evidence of precisely nothing.

Despite claims made by the dog handler and McCann haters, dogs are not reliable and their detections are not evidence. Indeed, one of the dogs involved in this case made a number of false detections at Haute de la Garenne on Jersey. Any detection by a sniffer dog is simply an indication that forensic tests need to be carried out to see if they yield any evidence.

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