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Madeleine McCann new evidence - BREAKING NEWS

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 05/06/2024 18:58

A Senior German detective has told a court that investigators had found emails on a Hotmail account used by Christian Brueckner that linked him directly to the Madeleine McCann case.

However, the detective was unable to share details of the evidence as it was 'related to the killing' of Madeleine. Brueckner, the prime suspect, is currently on trial in Germany for unrelated sex crimes.

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SusieSussex · 07/06/2024 13:58

DressOrSkirt · 07/06/2024 13:35

Richard Satchwell. Or are you ignoring the examples that do meet your criteria?
For 7 years he was on TV asking everyone to look for his missing wife. The guards spent millions searching for her. And he didn't slink into obscurity, he only stopped because his wife's skeleton was found under his floorboards.

I hadn't heard of him. Wiki suggests he was invited onto programmes with her family the year Tina went missing in 2017 and the following year. 2018. So just trying to get people off his back and nothing like the McCanns fighting to keep the investigation going for 17 years.
If he's the best example anyone can think of it says a lot.

WineOnTap · 07/06/2024 13:59

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SusieSussex · 07/06/2024 14:01

If Michael Bruckner is found guilty there will still be crackpots claiming they know better and it was the parents

WayOutOfLine · 07/06/2024 14:08

Nearly all the examples people are giving are of an intense media spotlight effect immediately after, and not beyond about 18 months, from the point the person died. This is the key time for relatives (including guilty ones) to go on TV, do press appeals, go on Crimewatch, and as someone has already said, this is expected of them, it would be odd not to do so, and also can be used to put them under pressure if they are under suspicion. They may also get a thrill from it if they are that kind of person (Ian Huntley).

It's unclear why people who 'already know' what has happened for nearly two decades would keep lobbying and fighting for more money and more spotlight, given the unpleasantness of that spotlight.

The only people I can think of who have kept going a long time are people who want to clear their name (miscarriages of justice), or to get justice for their loved ones where there is a stalled case (e.g. Claudia Lawrence's family).

prh47bridge · 07/06/2024 14:17

DaoineSidhe · 07/06/2024 11:24

In your absence of 'evidence of an abduction' then why is it the only theory that the majority go with?

As per my statistics, when a child goes missing and is not found quickly, abduction is by far the most likely theory. It will be correct in 98%+ of cases. Of course, some of the children who have been abducted are subsequently murdered. But, given how common child abduction is, it is those proposing a different theory who need proof.

HollyKnight · 07/06/2024 14:19

WayOutOfLine · 07/06/2024 14:08

Nearly all the examples people are giving are of an intense media spotlight effect immediately after, and not beyond about 18 months, from the point the person died. This is the key time for relatives (including guilty ones) to go on TV, do press appeals, go on Crimewatch, and as someone has already said, this is expected of them, it would be odd not to do so, and also can be used to put them under pressure if they are under suspicion. They may also get a thrill from it if they are that kind of person (Ian Huntley).

It's unclear why people who 'already know' what has happened for nearly two decades would keep lobbying and fighting for more money and more spotlight, given the unpleasantness of that spotlight.

The only people I can think of who have kept going a long time are people who want to clear their name (miscarriages of justice), or to get justice for their loved ones where there is a stalled case (e.g. Claudia Lawrence's family).

But it would also be odd to not keep making a fuss in public even if you had killed them because you know people would be thinking "if that was my child, I would never stop trying to find them".

Innocent people act innocently because they are innocent. Guilty people act innocently because they want to appear innocent.

So, basically, this behaviour by the McCanns does not indicate their guilt or their innocence.

prh47bridge · 07/06/2024 14:20

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A highly educated and successful police chief who was convicted of perjury and who was himself a suspect in relation to his investigation of another case of child abduction? That police chief?

WineOnTap · 07/06/2024 14:37

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prh47bridge · 07/06/2024 14:48

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I specifically said he was a suspect in relation to his investigation.

His conviction was for perjury. He committed perjury by falsifying documents.

Yes, the four (NOT three) officers accused of assault were acquitted, but he was convicted of covering up for others. His cover up may have been unnecessary if there was no assault, but that doesn't take away the fact that he committed perjury by falsifying documents.

prh47bridge · 07/06/2024 14:50

And no, I don't think I know about it. All I know is that the Portuguese courts decided that Amaral is not the paragon of virtue that the McCann haters say he is.

DressOrSkirt · 07/06/2024 15:05

SusieSussex · 07/06/2024 13:58

I hadn't heard of him. Wiki suggests he was invited onto programmes with her family the year Tina went missing in 2017 and the following year. 2018. So just trying to get people off his back and nothing like the McCanns fighting to keep the investigation going for 17 years.
If he's the best example anyone can think of it says a lot.

He was on TV, radio and newspapers the whole time. He even gave an intimate tour of their house in a newspaper (he reached out to them for that one), as soon as the case was dying down he'd contact the guards with 'new evidence'.
Certainly not "just trying to get people off his back". A lot of people found his behaviour 'strange' for someone who's wife went missing, so I would say they are a lot of comparisons.
But it wasn't as high profile, especially internationally.

User8646382 · 07/06/2024 15:44

Why did the UK government get so involved? I understand consular assistance in a missing child case, but the government involvement here went way above that. What was it about? It’s so bizarre.

Arraminta · 07/06/2024 16:03

Onomatofear · 07/06/2024 12:22

Yes and the thing about it is, that all of the other doctors in that group did the same thing with their children too. One of the other parents’s dd had a tummy bug if I remember correctly. And they went out in the evening and left her even though she was vomiting and had diarrhoea.

I didn't know that about the other child that was ill and was left too? It honestly staggers me how those parents were so confidently high handed with their children's wellbeing. But, I know many similar parents from privileged backgrounds who see their children as an occasionally nice accessory, but just don't have that primeval, parental bond, at all.

MoonKiss · 07/06/2024 16:12

There is zero evidence that any of the McCann children were drugged. Google tells me tests were carried out on the twins which showed no sign of sedatives. This was an early police theory that’s grown legs, that’s all.

Serrina · 07/06/2024 16:24

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/06/2024 13:50

... they can't just take medications from their workplaces. These things are audited

I deliberately edited their names from this to make it about the principle rather than these particular parents, but unfortunately this happens only too often:

Jonathon Dean
Paul Winwright
Stephen Macshane
Ashley Wilkinson
Omah Ahmed
Samianaz Siddiqui
Richard Archer
Matthew Cornish
Michael Kennedy .....

You missed out Harold Shipman

Onomatofear · 07/06/2024 16:40

SusieSussex · 07/06/2024 13:09

And pressed for it to be investigated for 17 years?

Mitchell Quy enjoyed the attention he was getting and probably would have carried on - as it was he courted attention for 18 months before the police had enough evidence to charge him. The police said that even after he was caught, he was hoping that he would have opportunities to be filmed. I’m giving an example because you asked.

Onomatofear · 07/06/2024 16:42

HollyKnight · 07/06/2024 14:19

But it would also be odd to not keep making a fuss in public even if you had killed them because you know people would be thinking "if that was my child, I would never stop trying to find them".

Innocent people act innocently because they are innocent. Guilty people act innocently because they want to appear innocent.

So, basically, this behaviour by the McCanns does not indicate their guilt or their innocence.

Yes, I agree.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/06/2024 17:53

Serrina · 07/06/2024 16:24

You missed out Harold Shipman

You're absolutely right, Serrina, but on a quick google of drug-stealing medics they're just the more recent ones who came up

If I'd gone back as far as Shipman I'd probably still be listing them, but the suggestion I was answering was that it's very difficult to pinch drugs

And let's not forget these are just the ones who got caught ...

Alltheyearround · 07/06/2024 18:57

prh47bridge · 07/06/2024 14:17

As per my statistics, when a child goes missing and is not found quickly, abduction is by far the most likely theory. It will be correct in 98%+ of cases. Of course, some of the children who have been abducted are subsequently murdered. But, given how common child abduction is, it is those proposing a different theory who need proof.

Are children most often abducted by people known to them or strangers?

I'm not referring to the McCann case at all, just general interest in crime patterns.

MoonKiss · 07/06/2024 19:07

IndecentPropolis · 07/06/2024 18:12

this pretty much explains things and anyone who can hear all the actual FACTS and still think “ThE pARenTs DiD iT!!!” needs their head examining.

This gets interesting around the 40-50 minute mark, where MWT addresses issues with the following:

Police Chief Amaral - who refused to speak with MWT or other reporters unless paid a huge amount of money.

The cadavers - hit on the car which was hired a couple of weeks after Madeleine vanished, and was used to move the family’s belongings to a new accommodation hence picking up her scent

The drugging rumours - unsubstantiated aside from possible normal use of Calpol

Still watching…

prh47bridge · 07/06/2024 19:55

Alltheyearround · 07/06/2024 18:57

Are children most often abducted by people known to them or strangers?

I'm not referring to the McCann case at all, just general interest in crime patterns.

Most abductions are by family members (often the non-resident parent) or acquaintances. Accurate figures are hard to come by, but studies suggest that 10%-25% of child abductions are by strangers.

Alltheyearround · 07/06/2024 20:02

I'm watching this too. Interesting theory that Maddie knew her mum and dad were at the Tapas Bar after a conversation earlier that day, went to find them and was then abducted on the way (potentially on road outside the complex).

Another theory I have heard was that CB was an opportunistic thief who was adept at getting into apartments and had been known to go into apartments certainly in Germany (there was a minor crime wave of likewise events occurring around that time in S Portugal, he may have been part of it)

The ex-policeman Mark Williams-Thomas says from his knowledge it is very, very unusual for someone to go into a house/apartment in order to abduct. More likely they have an agenda to find a victim but then are opportunistic in their 'method', rather than planning to take a particular victim.

On the other hand witnesses had seen someone of CB's description hanging about, perhaps watching people coming and going at the holiday complex in the days before Maddie vanished.

Either way, chilling behaviour.

Alltheyearround · 07/06/2024 20:04

prh47bridge · 07/06/2024 19:55

Most abductions are by family members (often the non-resident parent) or acquaintances. Accurate figures are hard to come by, but studies suggest that 10%-25% of child abductions are by strangers.

Thanks @ prh47bridge I thought I had heard that was the case, sadly follows pattern for crimes such as child abuse where the victim is often known to the perpetrator.

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 07/06/2024 20:06

Interesting theory that Maddie knew her mum and dad were at the Tapas Bar after a conversation earlier that day, went to find them and was then abducted on the way (potentially on road outside the complex)

Didnt happen. Firstly the window was open (opened from the outside), to leave the building she would’ve had to open 3 doors and close all 3 behind her. No 3 year old does that.