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Madeleine McCann new evidence - BREAKING NEWS

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 05/06/2024 18:58

A Senior German detective has told a court that investigators had found emails on a Hotmail account used by Christian Brueckner that linked him directly to the Madeleine McCann case.

However, the detective was unable to share details of the evidence as it was 'related to the killing' of Madeleine. Brueckner, the prime suspect, is currently on trial in Germany for unrelated sex crimes.

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Doteycat · 06/06/2024 11:38

Mamette · 06/06/2024 11:30

I'm always amazed how many people think their personal judgement on the behaviour of the parents actually matters. These threads always go the same way.

It’s a defence mechanism/ self soothing reflex. “Well I would never do that, so therefore something like this would never happen to me/ my child”.

Nope. Its facts.
And bewilderment that people actually think its ok to do.
Shameful carry on, today, last week, 17 years ago. Shameful no matter when.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 06/06/2024 11:40

People posting on this thread can we please stop posting about what was/wasn't the norm in terms of parents leaving children in holiday accommodation whilst then going elsewhere and whether you would do it/did do/wouldn't do it. It is not helpful to the actual thread/discussion the OP started. Every possible angle/view has been given x a billion and it's not contributing to the discussion, it's derailing it. RTFT before posting the same thing as pps over and over.

Dear god the family have been/are going through hell whether in your view that is of their own making or not.

Apologies if this crosses with any other similar posts.

SocoBateVira · 06/06/2024 11:42

NigelHarmansNewWife · 06/06/2024 11:40

People posting on this thread can we please stop posting about what was/wasn't the norm in terms of parents leaving children in holiday accommodation whilst then going elsewhere and whether you would do it/did do/wouldn't do it. It is not helpful to the actual thread/discussion the OP started. Every possible angle/view has been given x a billion and it's not contributing to the discussion, it's derailing it. RTFT before posting the same thing as pps over and over.

Dear god the family have been/are going through hell whether in your view that is of their own making or not.

Apologies if this crosses with any other similar posts.

No, of course they can't.

That point has been hashed out from every possible perspective in the last 17 years, and gets no less interesting with repetition, but nonetheless people's feelz still continue to be incredibly important. The fact that nobody is capable of providing anything other than anecdotes on the point doesn't act as any kind of deterrent.

Doteycat · 06/06/2024 11:43

I actually think its a very good idea to KEEP saying actually no its not normal.
Young parents nowadays, well god forbid they think its ok.
Its not, its dangerous and it should be repeated over and over.
One would think it common sense, but its not OK to leave a 3 yr old and 2 babies on their own while you eat and drink elswhere with your mates in a foreign country.
Maybe some parents never heard of Madeleine mcCann , and need to be told, eh this can actually be dangerous.
Dont bloody do it, cos the stuff of nightmares, can actually happen.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/06/2024 11:44

Onomatofear · 06/06/2024 11:28

The people they sue are experts who have no axe to grind with the McCanns but do have professional experience of cases that involve child abductions. If they try to explain their considered views on what may or may not have happened and why, they are immediately silenced.

This is unusual behaviour. That does not mean that I think the McCanns are bad people, or that I don’t think they’ve suffered.

But the only reason why they have been able to sue everyone who questions them is because of the money they’ve made from the Madeleine fund and other publicity.

Some valid points there, Onomatofear, and something else I've learned today is that the McCanns' £358k award against the Portuguese detective was overturned: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62967119#:~:text=The%20McCanns%20were%20initially%20placed,by%20the%20country's%20Supreme%20Court.

Also agree you could well be right about the social media/24/7 news aspect, @SocoBateVira - it's responsible for so much, and not all of it good

WickedSerious · 06/06/2024 11:45

flosset · 05/06/2024 21:20

They always seem to discover something when the public funding is due to end

They do indeed.

Psychoticbreak · 06/06/2024 11:45

katepilar · 06/06/2024 11:21

Could someone more knowledgeable please explain, how do they find emails after such a long time? I do understand that they sit somewhere on the net but how do they track them down?

Because they had never had him down as a suspect as the portugese police did not entertain the victims many years ago of him. One of the women raped by him saw his picture back in 2020 when it was released about madeline and immediately recognised him as the man who raped her in 2004. Had the police done their job then well things could have been different. It is only because she and other brave victims have come to light that the emails have been discovered.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/05/17/his-eyes-bored-into-my-skull-irish-former-expat-picks-out-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-as-her-rapist-as-she-tells-court-he-wore-womens-tights-and-underwear-during-horror-attack/

Psychoticbreak · 06/06/2024 11:48

@katepilar but instead of posters looking at why this came to light it has come back to the same thing again - what the McCanns did. Focus needs to shift.

'In the current trial Brueckner is facing four other sex crimes, all committed on the Algarve between 2000 and 2017 and involving two rapes and two assaults on children.'

ageratum1 · 06/06/2024 12:02

In the 90s/00s it was considered ok to eat very close to our apartment and regularly check. It was normal and never on our radar that a weirdo would steal our child
Well they were not very close they were 200 ft away in an unsecured appt with a road at one side and a pool at the other, not ina direct line of sight.Tey chose not to avail themselves of the hotel listening service.It absolutely wad not in any way normal behaviour.
That said they have paid the ultimate price.

XiCi · 06/06/2024 12:10

Superfans · 06/06/2024 11:15

Who are young children most in danger from statistically? Does class blind people to realities and truth? Once a narrative becomes publically accepted it is hard to change particularly if powerful or high profile people are involved. Mumsnet has a particular demographic which means people are broadly sympathetic to middle class doctor couple but that doesn’t make it correct or truthful. On the balance of probabilities I suspect the parents know exactly what happened to Madeleine (likely accidental death), the Portuguese police also know. Perhaps the truth will be revealed in time.

Agreed

Prawncow · 06/06/2024 12:14

It’s hard to understand the mentality of people still posting about the parents. It’s such casual cruelty to people who are suffering.

SloaneStreetVandal · 06/06/2024 12:15

Doteycat · 06/06/2024 11:38

Nope. Its facts.
And bewilderment that people actually think its ok to do.
Shameful carry on, today, last week, 17 years ago. Shameful no matter when.

I find it bewildering that people (such as yourself) persist in putting their entire focus, and their venom thereupon, on the McCanns parenting.
This thread is expressly about a credible suspect - a suspect who has already been convicted of heinous crimes, and for whom extreme depravity is already established - and the only contribution you felt moved to make is how shameful the McCanns were and remain.

Ihavenoclu · 06/06/2024 12:18

DelusionalBrilliance · 06/06/2024 11:04

@XiCi Madeleine wasn’t hurt by being in the apartment with her siblings, she was harmed by the monster who thought he could steal a child. The two acts are not comparable. Every time you say it’s the parents fault you are detracting from the vile creature who stole a child. Do you not understand? It’s akin to those idiots who say a woman who was wearing a short skirt deserved it. Gross.

Of course. However, had the parents brought THEIR children with them to the restaurant, we would not be here, would we?

Doteycat · 06/06/2024 12:20

SloaneStreetVandal · 06/06/2024 12:15

I find it bewildering that people (such as yourself) persist in putting their entire focus, and their venom thereupon, on the McCanns parenting.
This thread is expressly about a credible suspect - a suspect who has already been convicted of heinous crimes, and for whom extreme depravity is already established - and the only contribution you felt moved to make is how shameful the McCanns were and remain.

Im pretty sure you dont get to decide who contributes what to this thread.
But dont let your performative tolerance get in the way of facts.
The parents behaved appallingly.
And the perpetrator is beyond vile, but both things can be true at once.
Im not in the slightest bit bothered if people are sick of hearing about how badly the parents behaved, its a fact.
People just want to be allowed to think that just cos they too would neglect their children like they did, then they shouldnt be villified. Its to cover themselves, nothing else.
Disgraceful.

Ihavenoclu · 06/06/2024 12:20

No one is saying anyone deserves anything. That would be horrific. What posters ARE saying is that if the parents had not left their three babies unattended to drink wine with their friends, the outcome would have been different. That is a fact. Not victim blaming.

Ihavenoclu · 06/06/2024 12:22

Prawncow · 06/06/2024 12:14

It’s hard to understand the mentality of people still posting about the parents. It’s such casual cruelty to people who are suffering.

I find it harder to understand the people who defend this type of neglect.

HollyKnight · 06/06/2024 12:28

It’s akin to those idiots who say a woman who was wearing a short skirt deserved it. Gross.

No. It's akin to saying parents who put their 3-year-old in a short skirt and then leave her to walk alone in a park in the middle of the night so they can go off for a drink are negligent.

Not one person blames the victim. The victim is Madeleine, btw. Not her parents.

MoonKiss · 06/06/2024 12:29

Ihavenoclu · 06/06/2024 12:22

I find it harder to understand the people who defend this type of neglect.

It’s not defending them; nobody can say it wasn’t neglectful. However, nothing will change what they did and there’s no point rehashing it ad nauseam.

Time to move on, this thread is about the new evidence against Brueckner.

SloaneStreetVandal · 06/06/2024 12:30

Psychoticbreak · 06/06/2024 11:48

@katepilar but instead of posters looking at why this came to light it has come back to the same thing again - what the McCanns did. Focus needs to shift.

'In the current trial Brueckner is facing four other sex crimes, all committed on the Algarve between 2000 and 2017 and involving two rapes and two assaults on children.'

It very much does need to shift - this man needs to be detained for life. One can only hope there will be no possible way for him to evade justice now, given how much has come to light.

It's always incredibly frustrating for an onlooker to learn of opportunities that were missed when these men are finally caught and charged; just can't imagine how those who have actually been victim feel. My heart absolutely goes out to them.

graceinspace999 · 06/06/2024 12:31

Superstar88 · 05/06/2024 23:22

will you leave a bike unlocked on a street? No because it will be stolen. this is just unfortunate rules of the world we live in, but it doesn’t make it ok to steal if the bike is unlocked. So please let’s stop talking about why they left the kid alone. The only guilty party is someone who took her away. Parents are victims as well here.

Bikes do not compare with children.

Neglecting a bike is not a crime. Neglecting children is.

The wealthy McCann’s left three children alone and this still does not make sense.

They could have afforded a babysitter or au pairs.

They have never been prosecuted for neglect and I wonder would working class people who left three children home alone have been treated so leniently ?

There has never been a satisfactory explanation and the McCanns are well protected from such questions.

This is why the subject will continue to cause debate

BertieBotts · 06/06/2024 12:31

The thing about all the "was/wasn't it normal" speculation is that it actually doesn't matter at all what you personally experienced as normal because we tend to reflect the majority view of our environment and peers. So it tends to seem to people as though what they personally consider to be normal is universal, but this is not usually the case, especially for things where the predominant view has changed or is in the process of changing (which, I think, leaving children unattended has undergone a huge cultural shift between say 1970 and today).

Internet forums were well underway in 2005 and for a few years before that. Mumsnet itself has posts going back to 2000. You can freely go back and see for yourself that it was absolutely considered normal by some people, which does not mean that every single person who had children around that time would have considered it a reasonable decision to make.

Behavioural and cultural norms (e.g. which risks are considered appropriate to take) take time to change, and won't flip in an instant for the entire country overnight. It is just as correct for one person to say "In the 80s, nobody used car seats for children" as it is for somebody else to say "In the 80s it was absolutely normal to use car seats, they were sold in Mothercare and everyone I know used them".

And regardless of whether leaving children unattended is considered normal/reasonable, I think absolutely everyone would agree that it is NOT a normal response, on learning that a child is unattended, to abduct them. The normal response would be (variously) - ignore, try to find the parents, contact the police.

Stranger abduction is exceedingly rare specifically because of this norm. Most people do not want to hurt children. Most people, even those who would hurt children do not abduct children. The issue is in this case, police are now aware that an extremely twisted, sick individual already found guilty of other horrific crimes of a rare and related nature was in fact highly likely to have been in the area at the time of the disappearance. So while stranger abduction is rare generally, because the kind of person who would abduct a stranger is, thankfully, rare, the odds of that being the answer increase enormously when you know that such a person was in the area.

It's like if a person had a mystery injury which looked like a spider bite, saying that a certain kind of spider bite is rare because that species of spider is rare, so an injury could not possibly be that bite, but then discovering that there was one of those spiders in the room where the person was bitten. The premise that this spider is very rare no longer matters, it unfortunately becomes extremely likely that the bite was in fact from that spider.

SocoBateVira · 06/06/2024 12:32

I wonder if it would ever be possible to have a thread about developments in the case that didn't descend into yet another rehashing of the parents neglect?

TeaGinandFags · 06/06/2024 12:34

Onomatofear · 06/06/2024 10:09

Gerry was a cardiac consultant and Kate was a GP.

Still medics and even more money to pay the babysitter.

How many children end up on hospital because their parents bugger off for the evening?

Even if it was safe, who wants to spend their night out with an eye on the kids?

Rollinghilly · 06/06/2024 12:34

SocoBateVira · 06/06/2024 12:32

I wonder if it would ever be possible to have a thread about developments in the case that didn't descend into yet another rehashing of the parents neglect?

No because it’s a way of people comforting themselves that it could never happen to them

MoonKiss · 06/06/2024 12:34

SocoBateVira · 06/06/2024 12:32

I wonder if it would ever be possible to have a thread about developments in the case that didn't descend into yet another rehashing of the parents neglect?

You’re not going to find that on a parenting forum. Try Websleuths for sensible, intelligent dialogue without all the virtue signalling.

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