Can you really not move to Australia with Autism?

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Just that really.

I follow a midwife on there from the UK. She is open and honest, and is paid so much better with amazing working conditions. That's just one example of a profession

Is it really true families who have someone who's autistic cannot move out there or is it far more complex than that?

This is just out of interest.

I have family in NZ and know they're quite strict there

I don’t know but I’m guessing it depends on the severity and if the person with autism will be able to support themselves or will be reliant on the state if their parents can no longer support them (if a child), or if an adult can hold down a job and meet the requirements for a visa.

In this instance it would be one adult holding down a (good and in demand for staff) job, whilst the other cares for the autistic child

Yes Australian immigration is very strict on allowing people with disability to immigrate here. You have to demonstrate that you will be able to support your self. You won't be eligible for the NDIS until you are a citizen. It's not just autism, it's all disability.

The rules have changed for NZers here now. They used to be able to come without visas but could not access social welfare or disability supports unless they were citizens. Becoming a citizen was almost impossible if you came under the special visa category.

The child with autism would not be able to access any disability services easily. They could privately fund OT and ST etc etc but they would be paying insane rates per hour. When the NDIS began the hourly rates were set high and that's led to prices going skyhigh now.

Thank you! It makes a lot of sense, I suppose

It doesn’t make sense. It’s discrimination!

Canada used to be the same. But it changed relatively recently.

Not so many years ago Australia wouldn’t allow in people of colour!

Countries have to ensure that their citizens aren’t left paying taxes to support non-nationals with disabilities. Otherwise you can end up with what is essentially benefit or health tourism. If a person has a child that will always require care then how can they, barring wealth ensure that the state won’t have to step in at some point. And yes I don’t disagree it’s discrimination but countries have to put their own citizens and residents first. This is reasonable and expected.

I don't know. I think it makes sense in some ways if from a financial point of view

My DC costs the council/gov/whoever else about 70k a year, probably more

The White Australia Policy laws changed in 1966 so not exactly recent.

What's Britain's stance on immigrants with disability?

In what way is it discrimination? People can choose whether or not they emigrate. Australia can choose what visa conditions to set.

In the U.K. some people have what is called no recourse to public funds.

Means they are allowed to be here but cannot use state services.

So if they were disabled, they cannot be discriminated against by for example a shop refusing g to let them in, but they are not allowed to use public services

NZ is the same, to the extent that there was an awful case where a couple of doctors emigrated and the wife stopped her mental health medication to pass the medical. She then had a psychotic episode and killed their three young children. Wildly irresponsible but also very sad.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lauren-dickason-trial-alleged-child-murderer-stopped-taking-antidepressants-for-immigration-purposes/IM6OBGE2VVFLRLXUTCL2XSVXAA/

It’s not discrimination. Of course Australia want to make sure the state aren’t paying for people coming in to the country.

Disabled children are different. From a DLA point of view, you just have to be resident here for I believe 6 months

Is it that you can't move if you have a disability? Or is it that the person won't be eligible for any state support, healthcare?
Very different scenarios

You won’t be granted a visa, so therefore you can’t stay. It’s strict, but it’s also Australasia’s right.

You can be refused a UK visa on health/disability grounds, or if you would be unable to provide adequate support for yourself or a dependent with medical needs. My husband gained UK citizenship as an adult, he has a physical disability and had to have various tests etc to determine if he could support himself (he can) and if his disability would require major medical treatment (it doesn’t), he lived in the UK from the age of eight so had medical records from living in the UK which showed he wouldn’t be costly, without those he wouldn’t have gained leave to remain or citizenship further down the line.

It really isn't. Why should somebody be able to move to another country without means to support themselves either now or in the future?
Once a child's parents age and pass away who is looking after that now adult with a disability when they never paid into the system

Australia is supporting its citizens

Yes but on the other hand when people migrate to Australia, the country is gaining healthy, young, skilled people that other countries paid taxes to educate over many years - the cream of the world, so to speak. I have read of examples where both the parents are doctors, the other kids are neurotypical and it’s one child with autism and the family is rejected. A bit more balance is needed in such cases.

Why though, it’s Australias right to set its own policies. If it wanted to let that couple in they would, but they don’t have to. They obviously don’t see the need to at the moment, maybe they are getting enough skilled workers without medical needs.

Actually the doctors were already in Australia and gave birth to the child while already living and working in the country. They basically were in the position of having to leave because they hadn’t yet acquired full residency and so it could be done on a technicality. Brutal - but many of these cases do end up getting overturned anyway in the end.

I didn’t know this but Aus is tough around immigration policy generally

It makes total sense.

Australia is very strict on their immigration laws because they are, for obvious reasons, an in demand country. They have amazing wages and a good standard of living.

My parents were going to emigrate to Australia as £10 poms in the late 60s. I was at primary school and remember reading through the application forms with them. Nobody with any disability qualified at all. I can remember feeling shocked as a child that kids who were blind , deaf, had Down Syndrome ( horribly called mongolism then ☹️) were all banned. Applicants also had to be white. It seemed really awful. But I learnt even worse when they gave up on Oz and decided to try emigrating to South Africa.