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Can you really not move to Australia with Autism?

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sandygrapes · 27/05/2024 11:32

Just that really.

I follow a midwife on there from the UK. She is open and honest, and is paid so much better with amazing working conditions. That's just one example of a profession

Is it really true families who have someone who's autistic cannot move out there or is it far more complex than that?

This is just out of interest.

I have family in NZ and know they're quite strict there

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DancefloorAcrobatics · 27/05/2024 12:45

Don't you also have to be under 45 in order to emigrate?

Confortableorwhat · 27/05/2024 12:46

So if a family with a disabled child emigrated on the basis that they can't access state help, what happens if/when the parents pass and leave the child (likely now adult) with no means or ability to support themselves?

BlueJamSandwich · 27/05/2024 12:56

LovelaceBiggWither · 27/05/2024 11:57

The White Australia Policy laws changed in 1966 so not exactly recent.

What's Britain's stance on immigrants with disability?

I was at nursery then, so hardly ancient history either.

Supersimkin2 · 27/05/2024 12:56

NZ not importing disability = why NZ midwives are so well paid.

Guess you can’t have it both ways.

ANZ entry rules have always been fairly direct. The standard of living is high and their priority is looking after each other.

BendingSpoons · 27/05/2024 13:01

Octavia64 · 27/05/2024 12:00

In the U.K. some people have what is called no recourse to public funds.

Means they are allowed to be here but cannot use state services.

So if they were disabled, they cannot be discriminated against by for example a shop refusing g to let them in, but they are not allowed to use public services

This doesn't apply to children. Children can access school and NHS therapies e.g. SLT, OT (although there can be a long waiting list and if you move area you have to wait again so that may limit some people actually receiving input).

greenpolarbear · 27/05/2024 14:28

BlueJamSandwich · 27/05/2024 12:56

I was at nursery then, so hardly ancient history either.

It is literally history to most people, since the majority are younger than you and it didn't exist in their lifetime.

WomanMumLoverDaughterStepmumFriend · 27/05/2024 14:37

It’s true , my very good friend is a GP and her partner is a trauma doctor and despite both being really needed professions because their 3 year old had autism their visa got denied

BrumToTheRescue · 27/05/2024 14:45

sandygrapes · 27/05/2024 12:02

Disabled children are different. From a DLA point of view, you just have to be resident here for I believe 6 months

DLA is considered public funds for those who have no recourse to public funds. See here. The past presence test and needing to be habitually resident are different to NRPF.

But DC can still be entitled to an EHCP.

wizarddry · 27/05/2024 14:55

FredaFox · 27/05/2024 12:11

It really isn't. Why should somebody be able to move to another country without means to support themselves either now or in the future?
Once a child's parents age and pass away who is looking after that now adult with a disability when they never paid into the system

Australia is supporting its citizens

It is discrimination. They just have to own it

Ciderlout · 27/05/2024 15:03

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 27/05/2024 11:54

Countries have to ensure that their citizens aren’t left paying taxes to support non-nationals with disabilities. Otherwise you can end up with what is essentially benefit or health tourism. If a person has a child that will always require care then how can they, barring wealth ensure that the state won’t have to step in at some point. And yes I don’t disagree it’s discrimination but countries have to put their own citizens and residents first. This is reasonable and expected.

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This!

I agree with this and I say that as the parent of a child who is ND. It’s more than reasonable to put their own citizens first and not leave their tax payers paying for people who potentially can’t work.

I only wish our government would prioritise its own nationals, then perhaps there would be enough money in the pot to support our own vulnerable citizens!

BlueJamSandwich · 27/05/2024 15:06

greenpolarbear · 27/05/2024 14:28

It is literally history to most people, since the majority are younger than you and it didn't exist in their lifetime.

It's not ancient history, which is what I said. Given there's well over 10 million over 65s living in the UK.

Nowanextraone · 27/05/2024 15:08

I think it makes total sense for a country economically but it's harsh for the individual.
My daughter and I are type 1 diabetic, and my other daughter is autistic (and not high functioning). We accept we wouldn't be allowed in even though I'd love the option at least!

Nowanextraone · 27/05/2024 15:09

Ciderlout · 27/05/2024 15:03

This!

I agree with this and I say that as the parent of a child who is ND. It’s more than reasonable to put their own citizens first and not leave their tax payers paying for people who potentially can’t work.

I only wish our government would prioritise its own nationals, then perhaps there would be enough money in the pot to support our own vulnerable citizens!

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Totally agree

BlueJamSandwich · 27/05/2024 15:10

Ciderlout · 27/05/2024 15:03

This!

I agree with this and I say that as the parent of a child who is ND. It’s more than reasonable to put their own citizens first and not leave their tax payers paying for people who potentially can’t work.

I only wish our government would prioritise its own nationals, then perhaps there would be enough money in the pot to support our own vulnerable citizens!

Edited

Sure, that's where the money goes. It's an ideological choice not to support people. If we wanted to support our population better we'd stop voting for parties that haven't.

Ciderlout · 27/05/2024 15:11

Nowanextraone · 27/05/2024 15:09

Totally agree

I was just about to quote you and say I totally agree with your post too! Good minds think alike 🤣

EasilyDefined · 27/05/2024 15:16

So if you are autistic but capable of living independently, not needing extra support, disability benefits etc would you still be barred? My DD is on the waiting list for adult assessment but I have no reason to think she won’t be able to live independently, its just that she finds life hard at times and would like answers to why that is (ADHD as well). I had never thought of this, not that she’s ever expressed an interest in moving abroad.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 15:27

Sounds discriminatory to me.

As pp asked if someone with autism was working would they get granted a visa? Or is it a blanket no?

I wonder how well looked after indigenous Australians are..

mactire · 27/05/2024 15:33

Of course it’s discriminatory but it’s perfectly understandable discrimination and Australia are entitled to decide who they let move to their country. They’re not in the wrong here.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 15:35

I think if “looking their own” included indigenous peoples then perhaps it’s ok. But I doubt it.

Hermittrismegistus · 27/05/2024 15:41

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 15:36

What does that have to do with Australia having restrictions on disabled people living there?

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/05/2024 15:43

Australia has the right to say who may move into their country, and who may not. They don't allow immigration for the benefit of the immigrants, they allow it to serve the needs of the country, to plug shortages in particular professions like doctors and nurses.

Shouting "discrimination!" because they have no interest in letting people in who will not serve the needs of their country isn't going to matter one whit to them. Their country, their choice.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 15:44

Because some posters are suggesting it’s right that Australia looks after its own citizens. I’m suggesting they don’t even do that eg indigenous Australians.

Or is that ok?

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 15:45

Hermittrismegistus · 27/05/2024 15:41

What does that have to do with Australia having restrictions on disabled people living there?

My response was to this post

Alondra · 27/05/2024 15:46

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/05/2024 15:43

Australia has the right to say who may move into their country, and who may not. They don't allow immigration for the benefit of the immigrants, they allow it to serve the needs of the country, to plug shortages in particular professions like doctors and nurses.

Shouting "discrimination!" because they have no interest in letting people in who will not serve the needs of their country isn't going to matter one whit to them. Their country, their choice.

Succinctly put.

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