Another XL Bully has killed a woman

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Hornchurch: Woman dies in XL bully attack at home www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-69041493

She was the owner and sounds like she had a couple of them. They were registered but clearly that doesn't and didn't stop this preventable death.

If a dog (any breed) kills someone the owner already faces up to 14 years in prison and an unlimited fine.

Have any owners of the dogs involved in these appalling attacks ever been jailed?

My money is on 'no'.

Imo they should lock them up with their vicious mutt and let nature take it's course.

Frankly I agree, it's not just the dog that should be euthanized for the greater good! This whole situation has come about due to thick morons wanting to look 'hard' creating a market for lethal dog inbreeding to create a super killer breed. Owning an unlicensed weapon gets you a criminal record regardless if you used it, owning a killer out of control dog didn't. Our lax legal system has allowed this to continue way longer than it should have.

@Sasqwatch there was someone sent to prison for just under 5 years a couple of years ago. But I agree that it should be used far more. I only mentioned it to say that the law is there, it's maybe the actual use of it that is lacking.

These creatures tend not to be owned by people with assets, they might have some cash but it will be from illegal activities or the sale of dangerous dogs and it will be hidden away.

It should be law that these things should be surrendered to the nearest abattoir in a muzzle where they can be stunned then shot by a police firearms officer. There's no need for vets to be involved. Anyone caught not surrendering should be heavily fined (thousands) or imprisoned (no room in prisons of course).

Problem solved.

Well, yes, but what sort of person chooses this type of dog as a pet when so many other, non-lethal animals are available? There has to be something wrong with those people in the first place.

There has to be something wrong with those people in the first place.

I couldn't agree more.

Oh, I totally agree @RishiFinallyDidTheRightThing I think they're insane. Same with all the folk in America who keep pitbulls 😬

Completely agree with you that it's the owners that are the problem. But saying this usually goes down like a cup of cold sick on MN.

The thing about saying "it's the owner" is that it's not just the owner in the equation.
If you had a moron owner who had a cockerpoo or a daschund for example (and I imagine there are some!) the animal might be neglected, mistreated and potentially poorly trained and aggressive ....and the owner would still be a moron... but the outcomes will likely be not as severe because they aren't large powerful dogs that are virtually impossible to overcome.

I've read about dogs that are 8, 9, 10 stone - there can be very few adults who could adequately, physically control them if they went to attack someone or another animal, whether they are decent owners or not.

I've read about dogs that are 8, 9, 10 stone - there can be very few adults who could adequately, physically control them if they went to attack someone or another animal, whether they are decent owners or not
I agree @Fizbosshoes , no matter how good of a dog owner you are these animals should not be kept as pets, they are too dangerous.
It knows it can easily overpower and kill a human, it's just keeping you sweet until it fancies making a kill.

Indeed!

Why the hell people keep these horrible killing machines as "pets" is beyond me. I guess they're seen as some sort of weird status symbol, maybe? As you say, should be no surprise when they behave according to type.

Please report it.One day it will go for another dog and it will be too late.

We’re on holiday at the moment in a beautiful remote caravan park that a friend owns. A motorhome pulled in last night and guess what pops put the door? Yup 2 XL Bully’s unmuzzled in a park where most families have children. As soon as he saw them he asked them to be muzzled as per the law. What ensued I can only describe as a very heated argument as they refused “because they don’t need to be muzzled on private land.” It ended up the police were called because they refused to muzzle the things and refused to leave. During the heated exchange the man of the motorhome was standing with these things in front of him and OMG they looked menacing and certainly not friendly. They left when the police came and I hope these dogs were seized for not being muzzled. I mean who’s stupid enough to bring these dogs onto a park where there’s children and think it’s ok to have them unmuzzled because they’re on private land?

@GreenLeafyTree
Jesus wept how terrifying 😱
The owner of the dogs clearly wanted to enhance his enjoyment of the holiday . . properly get his rocks off by intimidating everyone else in the caravan park🤬
What a reprehensible peabrained low-life proto hominid.
Thank goodness the police dealt with him.

Edit
Yes let's hope the dogs were seized (or even better the man gets home loses his temper with the dogs who turn on him and kill him and then they are euthanized)

A win-win situation!

Not if the owner grabbed it or it was on a lead.

The kind of owner who is attracted to these dogs doesn't really overlap with owners who get a different breed or type though.

Loads of people, of all levels of intelligence and diligence, make perfectly adequate dog owners precisely because they are not the type of owner who wants and gets a dog like this.

Some people though are just dog mad and don’t see clearly that these type of dogs might be a threat. I have a friend who works for a dog charity and insanely pro all dogs and thinks they should all be saved without exception. It’s never the dogs breeding, always the owners. She loves these bully breeds and would have one in a heartbeat I’m sure if it wasn’t for sensible husband. I try not to talk to her about my thoughts.

A question for these kind of people is do they agree that hundreds of years of breeding have made sight hounds instinctively chase small prey or collies instinctively herd? It’s funny that these dogs have had traits bred into them but when it comes to aggression in these fighting type dogs “iT’s tHe owNerS NoT The BreEd” they’re idiots.

Yep, exactly.

Dogs are bred to have all sorts of "uses" - to herd sheep, to flush pheasants, to chase small furry things, to sniff out foxes/rabbits, to rescue people from the water - they even used to be bred to fight - so why do certain people refuse to believe you can breed them to kill?

With bull breeds, yes they were bred for aggression, a specific kind of aggression such as bull baiting, and dog fighting, which is why dog aggression is so common in many bull breed and their mixes today.
However, human aggression was an absolute no. Any dog showing human aggression was culled and not bred from. Can you imagine taking an injured dog from a fighting pit, all wound up, having to tend its wounds and then take it into the small family home with kids around if it went for people. It just wouldn't work.
What's happened with breeding of bullys recently is that the removal from the gene pool and culling of Human Aggresive dogs has not happened. Temperament has come last, behind height, colour, muscle mass, bone size, litter size. End result, some very screwed up dogs allowed to pass on their screwed up genes, inbred with other screwed up dogs, compounding the issue.
Many behavioural issues can be seen in pups and young adults. Most can't, and these dogs are slow to mature, so they were being bred from before their end temperament was known.
A disaster on so many levels.

Case in point, a family member bred her French Bulldog. She went to one of those Instagram dog breeders for the stud. I begged her not to. The stud was 10 months old, only a pup himself, and not a great structure, no health tests. But my family member wanted him because of 'colour'. This was during lockdown too. She thought she was going to make a mint. I tried my best to educate her, even went as far as showing her nicer dogs, with health testing, with adult temperament known, but no, she wanted this one because the breeder gave her a special price (yes, because her bitch was being a guinea pig essentially).
Anyway, 5 pups were born, 3 male, 2 female. Of the males, they all ended up with other family members. She had to practically give them away in the end as the price she was asking (lockdown) no one was paying.
Anyway, I ended up looking after one of the males temporarily. Poor thing was a health mess. £1000s in vet bills, and as he matured he became very dog aggressive, and it was putting my other dog on edge. I said to my family member, there's something not right with these dogs. She didn't believe me, and moaned how I was a 'hater'.
Anyway, the one I took on ended up with severe spinal abnormalities and was put to sleep before the age of 2. The other 2 males have dog aggression and human aggression too. Because they are in pain and maybe genetically too. The stud dog used was mysteriously retired by the breeder at 18 months and never seen on Instagram ever again.

The same breeder then went into the 'bully game' as its called, breeding XLs, more money in it apparently.