Another XL Bully has killed a woman

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Hornchurch: Woman dies in XL bully attack at home www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-69041493

She was the owner and sounds like she had a couple of them. They were registered but clearly that doesn't and didn't stop this preventable death.

Presumably they could also kill a baby then

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I remember following a thread on mumsnet a few years ago. A woman had adopted a puppy and was told it was a SBT but had a DNA test done (turned out to be an XL bully).

She was training it and said it was a smart, lovely dog and intended to keep it. But my blood ran cold when she posted about taking it to the vets and it suddenly flying into a rage, as a puppy, and even scaring the vet. She had young dc.

If I remember right she surrendered the puppy to a charity that dealt with large bull breeds. I always wondered what happened after that.

Well said @YellowHairband

If the parents aren’t prepared to protect them, then Legislation should.

I agree. The legislation should be extended to them not being allowed to share living space with children.

People always look at their own dog with rose tinted specs until it’s too late.

A man near me got a puppy XL pre ban. He always complained it was ‘lovely’ and was annoyed I didn’t want it near mine. Its body language was off from day one. To be fair to him he trained it religiously, always muzzled and exempted it. Once it hit adolescence it flipped and is savage to anyone and anything, he can barely walk past another dog now and actually admits he was wrong! Most people don’t care though cos it makes them look hard 🙄

If you choose to share your home with a large powerful predator . . .

When XL bully legislation was announced, it was unreal the amount of chavs being interviewed on local news sites declaring that THEIR XL bully wouldn't hurt a fly,and here's the proof ( picture of XL bully on the couch sitting next to the chav's 6 week old baby)
It's certainly true that you can't fix stupid 🤣
As a side note, I was told a while back that if someone is being savaged by a dog,lift up the dogs back legs off the ground and it will let go of the victim. Not sure if it's true but it's worth a try, should anyone come across a dog attack

I know the one, it was very sad. But I think what any decent parent/owner would have done:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4405848-Just-found-out-that-puppy-is-partly-a-banned-breed?page=15

I feel sorry for all the babies and children being forced to live with these dogs.

I had a close call with an XL Bully whilst walling my sons whippets in a field by a farm. This dogs silhouette standing so stocky and muscular blocking the field. Made my blood run cold. My smaller whippet wanted to go and say hello but my other whippet stood still in a sort of heightened sense of awareness I realised that this dog meant business. There was no owner around so I recalled the whippets and walked slowly away hoping the dog wouldn't chase I could hear it growling and snarling behind me and for a moment I thought this may be it for the whippets or myself. Luckily nothing happened but I warned another lady about to enter the field with her little dog.

I told my sons wife and she said it did something similar then it her when she walked the whippets at Outwood. She did say she wasn't sure if it was a cane Corso or a CL but it was big and scary with no lead. I guess the farmer hates the public access through his land to the field

I reported a dangerous xl bully that tried to attack my toddler. This was after the ban very recently. Police said owner claimed it was something else, some mix of bull breeds and they didn't think it seemed aggressive to them. It's unregistered and unmuzzled but because the owner has added a couple of other breed names to it then apparently it's fine. The police left it with no further action. Apparently all I can do is record it trying to or attacking my toddler then il have evidence! I asked the officer how that would work when the thing is killing my child and that will be too late. No answer about that.
The law means nothing on this

How many more people have to be attacked and killed by these dogs before the government will say enough they have to be put to sleep

all of them

of course we know people will try to hide their dogs or we end up with another breed with similar strength and traits but then it’s has to be dealt with again

anyone who has one of these dogs and has children is unbelievably stupid and neglects their child’s safety

summer is coming up we know children will be killed by these horrendous animals but the idiots will come out saying it’s not the dogs fault it’s the owners nonsense

Fuck her and fuck all owners of pit bull types. This is what we are talking about, pit bull dogs that were supposed to be outlawed in 1991. But due to DEFRA being as useful as a chocolate fireguard we now have a mutant pitbull type bred out of control here, after being bred by that bastard Castro in Florida. He was the breeder of Kimbo. How did that get imported here? Serious question for that department. Cull the fucking lot.

Hornchurch has been in a London borough since 1965.

My vets didn't. Their previously great Google reviews are now littered with bad ones saying how disgusting they are for killing healthy, innocent dogs 🙄

oh well, who reads google reviews anyway

What will it take for owners to understand that a dog’s behaviour is largely dictated by its genetics?

All dogs are the result of their breed. While you might have some that don’t display typical traits, the huge majority will. Those genetic traits might not be noticeable until there is a trigger although sometimes a dogs responses can be so subtle, an owner might not recognise what their dog is actually displaying.

Add that to poor/non existent training and you’ve got a perfect storm sat waiting for the right trigger.

With luck that will encourage the idiot owners to go to a different vet and everyone else will think ‘great!’

oh well, who reads google reviews anyway

Actually, lots of people, and unfortunately they can make or break a business.

The issue with the whole "just kill them all" is that, at the end of the day, they are still animals and still peoples' pets.

It's easy to sit behind your keyboard and judge but if it was your dog being taken off you and killed when they hadn't actually done anything, I suspect you wouldn't be very happy about it either.

I'm no XL Bully fan and would never own or work with one, but I'm glad I have the empathy to remember that these are people's pets at the end of the day.

People in some countries are allowed to keep tigers and chimpanzees as pets. Doesn't make it a sweet ickle cutiepie angel.
Many dogs are capable of snapping and losing control. The issue is that these particular dogs have physical strength and a jaw that is difficult to prise open once locked round victim's head, throat, torso, etc. I've been bitten by a miniature poodle. Didn't even break the skin. Context is everything and it's terribly naive to say "oh but it's someone's pet" like that's a free pass, like that guarantees their temperament.
This latest kill was the owner. These dogs were HER PETS. They still killed her.

I didn't say that them being someone's pet should mean they get a free pass 🙄

My point was that it's perfectly possible to think XL's should be euthanised and have empathy for their owners at the same time 🤷‍♀️

Oh, and you can own tigers and chimpanzees in this country too as long ss you follow the law.

They may be allowed to be owned, but they're not pets.

I suppose a muzzle could be considered a cage, in one form. My friend has to muzzle her rescue greyhound because she had a very strong prey drive and would shoot after anything small. Cats, rabbits, small dogs, all these trigger her, so she's muzzled and on the lead the while time. It's a worry for her.

Have seen someone do it in a park near us (lift back legs) when an Alsation lost it and savaged a puppy. The owner of the Alsation was just towed across the park. Nothing he could do to stop it.

A bystander waded in a was hitting it and doing the leg thing, nothing was stopping it.

The owner of the pup was hysterical. I don't know if the puppy survived, or what happened to the other dog but it was terrifying to watch how determined the Alsation was once it had decided to attack. It was quite far away and the pup hadn't done anything to annoy it, it was jsut bimbling about minding its own business.

Scary.

I wouldn't be going near a Bully to lift its back legs, I suspect if you did you might come off the worse.

Personally i think if a XL bully ever kills a person there should be severe consequences for the owner like compensation or such. People will stop taking the risk if money is involved