Loving Sarah Vine on This Morning -Ozempic

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She said we live in an obesogenic society and need to be realistic about the need for weight loss drugs like ozempic. She also said we are genetically programmed to eat as much as possible when we can as our ancestors didn’t know when the next wilderbeast would come along. Now we can just sit in our house and deliveroo will bring us food.
Completely agree with all of the above. I am currently working very hard and managing to lose weight without the help of drugs, so I do also ‘get’ the personal responsibility side to this. I just think as a society we are fighting a losing battle if we don’t embrace the new wave of weight loss drugs. Hopefully in time there will be more studies into long term use.

Some fat people like me pay for our own weight loss drugs. I wouldn't even ask the NHS for it, it's my fault I'm fat. Though not as fat as I used to be.

Pop over to the mounjaro threads they are extremely helpful.

Why is it that we accept virtually everything else in the human body is down to genetics and or environment and isn't the persons fault but not when it comes to obesity. Only that is due to laziness and greediness and the sufferer has no one else to blame but themselves?

@susiedaisy1912 yep

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Daily Mail wisdom.

She also said we are genetically programmed to eat as much as possible when we can as our ancestors didn’t know when the next wilderbeast would come along.

We're genetically programmed to do a lot of things we no longer do, since we moved out of caves.

And if this is still the case, why isn't everyone fat?

I wonder if she has shares in Ozempic or similar? 🤣

I’ve been on weight loss injections for a year apart from 3 months when they were out of stock. I’m down 2 stone due to taking the lowest dose and taking it slowly.
I can’t tell you how hard I tried to lose weight in the past, I even put on with slimming world despite following it to the letter. This jab has been a revelation. I feel like a normal person, no more constant hunger. 2 stone still leaves me in the obese category but only just. Everything is now easier, housework, exercise etc and I feel so well. My blood pressure is down.
I firmly believe these jabs should be available on the nhs (I’m paying private), there are so many things that cost the nhs money due to obesity why not spend the money on reducing obesity in the first place.

Has anyone other than Sarah Vine written anything useful on this and whether the NHS should make them available? Will we save the NHS from obesity by making jabs available on the NHS for obesity? seems a bit back to front, but I dunno.

Completely agree with her. I get thoroughly fed up with people saying that using drugs such as Ozempic,or having bariatric surgery is 'cheating'. There are so many people out there who think that anyone who is overweight just sits scoffing cakes and biscuits all day. As a previously very overweight person (I've lost 7 stone so far) I still have 3 and a half stone to go but the weight loss has just ground to a halt of late, despite the fact that I'm sticking to 1500 calories per day,and cannot remember the last time I ate a cake or a biscuit. I'd love to be able to use Ozempic to help me lose weight but the NHS won't prescribe it for me as I'm not diabetic and I cannot afford to buy it privately. So on with the calorie counting it is.

Dopesick was terrifying. I wonder what the consequences will be of an entire country taking Ozempic the way the US is taking opoids.

Also, I completely disagree with her that we are all genetically programmed to eat as much as we can. Much of the world does not live that way.

Can anyone summarise/link (but i don’t pay for the paywall ) to what she said about midwives please

Would you be just as dismissive to someone who was depressed? Anxious? Asthmatic? Presumably you are perfect with no physical or mental flaws?

also it is not a “school of thought” but there is a lot of research now to back up that industrialised foods/UPF’s alter the state of our brains.

Largely agree with this although I’d suggest regulation of food companies before drugs. When the majority of people in a society cannot manage their weight, we need to accept that this isn’t a problem at the level of individual willpower. People didn’t suddenly change mentally or physically 50 years ago. What changed was our food environment- production of UPF, heavy marketing of UPF, over-supply- plus normalisation of snacking and large portion sizes, all related to the economics of food supply (the role of fast food companies in normalising huge portions has been well documented and is based on the relatively low cost of ingredients relative to costs like marketing).

Regulate the producers and treat UPFs as equivalent to alcohol/tobacco when it comes to marketing. We’ll look back at these days when you could advertise a bowl of sugary cereal straight at children with cartoon characters on the pack, package fast food with toys as a “happy meal” etc with complete incomprehension, equivalent to Victorian preparations to help your baby sleep by smacking them out on opium.

We're getting there!

The majority are fat.

I find it staggered that people don’t seem to want to acknowledge the issues with obesity and deprivation. It was once a fact that little money equaled little food but now it equals shit food. Now, you eat UPF if your skint. You might get your calories but you’re not meeting your nutritional needs so your brain is signalling to your body to carry on eating in search of those.

it’s not a choice for everyone. This is a much bigger issue than people at individual levels being greedy.

So SV is an anthropologist, geneticist and pharmacologist in one. That’s today. With more qualifications on request, depending on what she needs to talk about.

I can just imagine the cries of "nanny state" if UPF is regulated.

The study that’s been in all the newspapers hasn’t been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal yet -which means it may not be valid at all

Probably. I wish they’d just make a start in stopping marketing it at kids with shitty cartoons and change to plain packaging. Fruits and veggies would soon look brighter and more appealing.

That's even more interesting, thank you

This is true. I was a size 6-8 until my 40s. In my fifities, I am now a size 10-12. I eat less now. No other way for me to keep it off, I think a lot of menopausal women do not realise that we need to cut portion sizes as we get older.

Note: I am not saying this works for everyone. I am saying it works for me.

As a species we are totally fucked up. Fat, lazy, obsessed with fame and money, killing the planet, warping children's minds about their gender, killing in the name of religion.... It just goes on.

Best thing would be for the human race to die out. So no. Don't medicalise overeating. Let nature takes its course.

This may sound extreme but tell me I'm wrong.

You are wrong @Zopicloned 😀 I think people who say the human race should die out usually don't volunteer themselves.