Loving Sarah Vine on This Morning -Ozempic

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She said we live in an obesogenic society and need to be realistic about the need for weight loss drugs like ozempic. She also said we are genetically programmed to eat as much as possible when we can as our ancestors didn’t know when the next wilderbeast would come along. Now we can just sit in our house and deliveroo will bring us food.
Completely agree with all of the above. I am currently working very hard and managing to lose weight without the help of drugs, so I do also ‘get’ the personal responsibility side to this. I just think as a society we are fighting a losing battle if we don’t embrace the new wave of weight loss drugs. Hopefully in time there will be more studies into long term use.

I don't know anything much about Ozempic, but you're absolutely right about willpower. Thousands and thousands of years of evolution and human behaviour don't get overturned like that.

Sarah Vine is a bigot.

In the 50s and 60s, smoking rates were much higher, so you'd need to control for that. The percentage of people who partake of a substance that we know lowers appetite has shrunk. We don't know what the 50s and 60s would've looked like if people had smoked as relatively little as they do today.

@WoshPank I think smoking dramatically decreasing has a lot to do with rise in obesity. Not all are old enough to remember the permanent fug in every pub & club.

The cost of what? A majority of people on weight loss drugs are paying privately. It's not available on the NHS for obese people easily. Only obese type 2 diabetics can get it. So is it the cost of the drugs for diabetes you are concerned about?

I don't even understand your point about taxing sugar/fatty foods. I don't care, I'm on a weight loss drug so I don't want those foods. So not punishing me!!

Where did you get your evidence from? They were just saying on the news yesterday about the benefits of these drugs. Do you think it would be on the national news it wasn't true?!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd188m73vn1o.amp

You've just come up with a random statement with no evidence to support it.

Do you not see the irony in you projecting onto me what you've done yourself? If you're happy to believe that, that doesn't effect me, it's your perogative but it's beyond naive to think that the drug studies are done for the good of the public and apply no critical thinking for yourself. Just look at what's happening now with astrazeneca . No one is going to invest millions into something that is going to make them potentially billions and pay for a study that is unbiased. It happens all the time, just because they find some positives and say so doesn't mean they aren't negatives. Or the people that pulled out of the study because the side effects were too much. The drugs aren't old enough to be able to say they are safe long term, that's a fact.

'Do you think it would be on national news if it wasn't true?!'

That's almost too funny to answer. Yes, like a lot of things, press releases are given so we know what people want us to be told. They are not unbias. And no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Just not naive.

The study was paid for by
Novo Nordisk's. The maker of the main component in ozempic, wegovy, all that type of thing. Look it up for yourself

Do you anticipate taking this drug for the rest of your life in order to keep the 'food noise' switched off? That's the only way I can see the majority of people having success with these drugs.

The problem is people get rich from the population being overweight.
The companies that produce shit, addictive food make more money.
The drug companies selling us weight loss medication...
The "wellness" and diet world.
Deliveroo, Ubereats, etc. etc...
If we all ate reasonable amounts of local, seasonal foods. Very few people would profit.

Where is your evidence that it causes heart attack and strokes?

I'd rather trust the research published instead of your conspiracy theory thank you.

For fucks sake can people stop using playground names like 'fatty' in this thread. Grow up.

Once you get over a certain weight, it’s almost impossible to lose it. These drugs are giving people a chance, giving them hope.
Nobody knows the long term effects, I agree with you there, but the long term effects of being hugely overweight are not good either.

I agree OP.

I think we have failed as a society somewhere where we have allowed food companies to market with such sophistication and aggression that we now need a synthetic cure to an entirely synthetic problem. I think there should have been more collective push back on the likes of nestle, mars, Cadbury’s and whoever else when they started to push their manmade substances as food for profit and greed.

But, we are where we are and I’m not
judging anyone. We have been exploited for profit and now there’s a profit in keeping us thin too. But if the positives outweigh the negatives that’s better than where we were headed in terms of the impacts of obesity on society and individuals.

Totally agree.

these drugs are a tool, nothing more. They mimic hormones so you don’t feel hungry and that you feel sated.

Its all very well to bang on about “willpower” but when your body is basically fighting against you its not that easy.

Mounjaro has made me realise my willpower is just fine. I could still eat crap and chocolate but it makes it easier for me to make healthy choices and not do that. Or if I do have a biscuit I can have one or a few bites and throw it away if I no longer fancy it.

Comparisons to AZ aren’t helpful either. At the time Covid was surging at a societal level the benefits of Covid being controlled outweighed the harms caused to a comparatively small number of individuals albeit it was horrific for this individuals. That is now no longer the case with the AZ vaccine.

I am now of the view that unless someone has lived with obesity or is a bariatric or obesity specialist they don’t really know what they are talking about and their opinions are irrelevant.

Obesity is so much more than greed and laziness. The marketing teams at big food corps are using the vulnerabilities as humans against us. They literally invest in making us want their products which alter our brain chemistry. It’s frightening.

I urge anyone to read “Ultra Processed People” or “The Dorito Effect” absolutely brilliant reads by scientists.

I say this as someone who works out 5x a week, has a PT, is a healthy weight. It’s a constant battle!

There is also such a thing as an “obesity gene” which makes you more prone to being overweight.

I hope the “unknown, unknowns” of ozempic aren’t that bad and it is the breakthrough drug we need. We need some kind of short circuit because the issue is getting worse.

Ozempic. Wegovy & similar ‘family’ of weight loss drugs. How do they differ? Why is Ozempic available & not Wegovy in London? Why can you inject daily with some & not others? Is weight loss more rapid on one than another?

Sarah Vine is an arse so I would pay little attention to anything she says.
Medical weight loss is not available on prescription in most areas of the UK. Where it is, you have to attend a weight management programme first and show some commitment to lifestyle changes.
Most people who use Ozempic or Monjaro are buying it privately at £180 a pen.

I've just highlighted that it's not a conspiracy theory. It's critical thinking. Other Dr's have been on TV if that's your preferred method of information saying what I just said. The information is there if you look for it. I also gave you the example of astrazeneca. So many 'trusted sources' saying its safe, it doesn't have related issues to blood clots, take it, take it, take it, it's safe. People made to feel like heretics for being sceptical and wary. Except it does and they've now admitted it. And withdrawn it from circulation. But it's so safe, right? Just think, really think about what you're told before accepting it.

I'm far from saying it might not have benefits. It might do. But no one knows what it does long term

I'm also not judging anyone for using it if they want to or feel they have no choice. I get it and people should do whatever they feel they need to. I just don't support the pharmaceutical company paid for studies being used to tell people it's so safe when nothing in its infancy is and they can choose to eliminate the negatives from their 'evidence' they publish to the public

They’re both semaglutide just diff brand names.

These drugs are also the same as for diabetes. It's funny how people don't have opinions and doubts about the drug for diabetes, but when it's for fat people, people have a negative opinion.

If the news talked about the benefits for diabetes only, then people wouldn't feel so strongly against them!

Ozempic and Wegovy are the same drug but Ozempic is the diabetes branded version and Wegovy the weight loss one.

Mounjaro is similar but acts on 2 hormones and not just one. It has a weight loss branded one too called Zepbound but you can only get Mounjaro in the U.K.

Mounjaro has performed better in trials than Ozempic/Wegovy.

At the end of the they are a tool to help people whose weight places them at serious risk of other health problems. Not a cosmetic tool. Of course there are risks but they need to be weighed up against the very real known risks of obesity. Which is why they are worth it for someone 5 stone overweight but not 1 stone for example

Even though people are reducing their risk of diabetes by losing weight and using the drugs to help.

Surprised to see any sentence that starts with, "Loving Sarah Vine" tbh. But I do agree with her. It's a medical tool that over a long period will reduce the amount of money spent on obesity-related illnesses. Only very sheltered people now think weight gain is related to willpower. The gut biome, hormones, genetics, it all plays a part and for many people it's not a case of not realising that they're overeating - us previously-obese people know the caloric value of most food and drink items on planet Earth, believe me.

Yes I would. I have no interest in whatever a drug is used for, that's not what matters.

Totally agree. When people say “oh no one years ago was obese” I can assure them they were. My mum’s dad’s side have all been large going back generations. And no they didn’t eat crap as it wasn’t available. My great nanna was very large despite this she worked full time in a manual job until she was 77 so was definitely NOT lazy!