Loving Sarah Vine on This Morning -Ozempic

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She said we live in an obesogenic society and need to be realistic about the need for weight loss drugs like ozempic. She also said we are genetically programmed to eat as much as possible when we can as our ancestors didn’t know when the next wilderbeast would come along. Now we can just sit in our house and deliveroo will bring us food.
Completely agree with all of the above. I am currently working very hard and managing to lose weight without the help of drugs, so I do also ‘get’ the personal responsibility side to this. I just think as a society we are fighting a losing battle if we don’t embrace the new wave of weight loss drugs. Hopefully in time there will be more studies into long term use.

Sarah Vine is an arse, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. And she's spot on about the willpower and evolution stuff. We have a trait that for nearly all of human existence was advantageous for most of us, that all of a sudden is a problem. It's not getting wished or try hardered away.

@OolongTeaDrinker and @RunnerDown, it simply isn't true to say these drugs haven't been around long and we don't know the long term side effects. These drugs have been around (and used successfully for the treatment of diabetes) for MANY years.
And the research on the positive impact on heart attack risk was done by extremely respected scientists in the field. https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/may/14/weight-loss-drug-semaglutide-reduce-heart-attack-risk-study#:~:text=It%20found%20that%20participants%20taking,death%20due%20to%20cardiovascular%20disease.
If losing weight was as simple as self-control, far fewer people would be obese. I am sick and tired of the "lazy fatties who don't know how to cook from scratch" narrative.

I would rather more was spent on preventing the problem rather than creating it and then fixing it

I mean - we have a lot of businesses selling stuff that is more likely to make you fat - if that food wasn't so easily available , if the cheapest and easiest food was also less associated with being overweight then we would have less of a problem

And then we have a lot of businesses getting rich on solving the problem - that's great - my mate gets rich making you fat and I get rich making you thin again

@DownWithThisKindOfThing thank you, that explains it well. Ozempic not the ideal drug then in this ‘family’ for most part?

NB: I am not sure much of SW London has the memo on not for cosmetic use & it strikes me some private doctors are making a killing out of this.

To add why are some injected daily & others weekly?

weight is partly self controlled and partly society controlled - not all societies with easy access to cheap food have the same obesity rates

yep. She is a tabloid hack and the absolute worst kind at that.

That is to do with the half life of the drug. Semaglutide and Tirzepartide have a half life of 7 and 5 days respectively, liraglutide has a half life of 13 hours.

I wish I could get this on prescription

@RunningAndSinging thank you! I have heard daily injections lead to quicker results (?)

You can but it's a private prescription.

I think that was the first type of drug for weight loss /diabetes. Now I guess it's more advanced you only have to take it weekly.

@Limberinta who has been on tv and which tv shows saying that these drugs cause heart attacks and strokes? I would like to see this information and links to the evidence please.

Anyone seen Dopesick'? On iplayer now. I've seen several miracle drugs come and go in my lifetime, most have been withdrawn. Miracle drugs - weight loss in this case- are not mainly promoted as such for the good of our health but for the good of a pharmaceutical company's profits. Some people in this world are starving. What an insane world its become.

I just googled 'Ozempic strokes' and got this report by the European Medicine Agency saying Ozempic reduces the risk of heart attack and strokes.

www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/ozempic

What contradicting evidence do you have @Limberinta?

I'm abroad at the moment on holiday so not going to delve into searching myself. The information is out there if people want to find it. If I remember when I'm home, I'll pop the links up

Botox was seen as an evil re: cosmetic procedures & linked to vanity. Botox had been used re: cerebral palsy for many years prior & seen as ‘safe’. Any wider parallels with weight loss drugs? And they’ll be other, better, examples.

Anyone saying what evidence do I have etc.... I don't need to provide it. Look for yourself like I did if you want to. Or don't. But as I've said in a much more long winded way, what this poster above says everything. That people need to think for themselves

I just googled @Limberinta and that wasn't what I found. Even if you are on holiday, if it's so easy to find, you could have posted it in the time you took to reply.

Enjoy your holiday.

Is SV using one of these drugs? She may be thinner at the end of a course of it but she'll still be the same Sarah Vine. Unfortunately.

I don't care enough to search again, so Im not going to,essentially.

I'm not down on the drug itself at all, if it serves its purpose, wonderful. As I keep saying, the part thats wrong is that the people making and profiting from the drug are in total control of the narrative. That is all

Or just leave it to natural selection. Eventually "fat" people will decrease due to early death.

Me too. Only one but it's a drug to reduce thyroid and really negatively affects weight.

People look at you like you're a lazy piece of shit. It's honestly awful.

If you’re going to be crass - also consider the cost to the NHS if obesity isn’t tackled and allowed to spiral.

Not to mention quality of life, the fact that people who are obese are still valuable members of society - their weight doesn’t define them.

I think they were being sarcastic!

It's a valid point that obesity related illnesses would be costing the NHS a lot of money. So it's in their best interest to tackle obesity before it starts causes these illnesses. These drugs are definitely starting to help with that.