Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

[InnocentOrGuilty]

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

Dear gods. The man was depraved.

The contents of that document are cut-and-dried. Defending this man's activities is a classic case of persistence in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

I have to question the motives for doing so. Denial is obviously strong in some people when it comes to the shattering of male Hollywood/music icons; the dismantling of that illusion is, it seems, too painful. There's a complete inability in some quarters to separate the art from the artist, or to conclude that yes, sometimes exceptionally gifted people do incredibly abhorrent things. Cf. the denial that comes with defending to the hilt figures like Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt and Mel Gibson. Our popular entertainment heroes cannot be allowed so much as a toenail of clay.

VAWG is one thing. But IMO, anyone who defends the kind of behaviour Jackson clearly exhibited needs to have either their faculties checked, or their hard drives.

Fucking hell, that was a tough read! Thank you for sharing though, it has further cemented what a disgusting, grooming paedophilic piece of shit he was for me!

It’s one of the most frustrating aspects of some human behaviour. Individuals like this simply go into denial and with denial, there is absolutely nothing you can do. There’s no cards on the table to negotiate with - it’s a shutting down, an impermeable drawbridge. It is the same kind if behaviour you get in cults, where abuse of children is taking place, and followers refuse to accept their own children are abused.

Someone sent me a link to someone on YT who claims to be a medium, but she was a full on MJ fanatic. Her excuses for Jackson’s behaviour? It was because he was actually from another ‘time’ and was in fact a time traveller from another galaxy, who came from a planet where it was ok to have relationships with children! That’s how far some of these people have to stretch in order to convince themselves of Jackson’s innocence. Deranged.

Oh but he's just an innocent soul trying to live the childhood he never had. 🙄😤

@BigMandsTattooPortfolio I bet that video was sad and awe inspiring in equal measure. It is heartbreaking to see abuse ignored because people are able to justify his innocence in their own head.

Guilty as hell

Absolutely guilty.

To me there's no question at all of guilt - we all saw him walking around holding the hands of children he'd moved into his house to be his newest best friend!

I don’t know how anyone looking at that list could claim be doesn’t show clear signs of sexual interest in children.

Exactly! It's mindblowing that people are still defending his crimes!

no you got it completely wrong
but I won’t bother explaining why the point was missed

So what am I meant to deduce from this about another accused person:

Neither was he a genius and famous unique artist since when he was a child

If not a genius and artist can’t be a pedophile.
Im not surprised you won’t explain because it’s clear it doesn’t make sense

Guilty. No doubt in my mind, and I found the 'innocent and child-like' persona repulsive and not at all convincing, which made it almost insulting - that he expected people to buy it.
He was a regular at Studio 54 ffs. Innocent my arse. There's no way he was at 54 & being shielded from people having sex on the dancefloor.

As for the parents of those boys who stayed at his house, if there was a hell, there'd be a special place in it for them, and all parents who serve up their own children to abusers. Nothing anyone could say would convince me they were as hoodwinked as everyone else. Blinded by money & fame more like.

I never quite knew how overwhelming this evidence was before reading this, fingerprints of Michael's and the brothers were found on a selection of 18 porno magazines hidden in a suitcase.

In what universe can this be explained away as innocent, surely that's enough proof they were telling the truth about Michael showing them porn?

An old workmate’s husband was jailed for sexually abusing a young teen boy. He used pornography, hetero, gay, and ‘barely legal’.
Disgusting bastard.

I used to believe he was innocent as I enjoy his music and felt like he came across as a charming and soft souled individual.

However, after reading what was found at Neverland, I am now not so sure. I can't definitely say that he was a pedophile and abused children but his behaviour was completely inappropriate and concerning. Take the 'art' books for example, ok they are considered art, but what normal man would have an art book of naked little boys? If my husband even owned that, I would be extremely concerned and I wouldn't allow him around my children.

Again, a normal man would understand and realise that sharing a bed or a room with children (whether innocent or not) is highly inappropriate. Why would a man want to open himself up to accusations? And to keep doing it after he had already been accused once.

There is the chance that he had arrested development but then if you look at all the surrounding evidence, such as the content of his songs and how he was a shrewd businessman, it doesn't really point to that nor being completely 'childlike'.

The emotion in the Neverland documentary is raw, especially Wade Robson when talking about how his views changed after his son was born and when he imagined a grown man doing that to his own son. That pain was real!

That being said, I do still listen to his music but I won't wear a T-shirt that I have of him anymore.

I confused the title of the documentary with the title of a film - an easy mistake to make considering I haven't slept properly in days... What's your excuse for being a paedophile-loving Wacko supporter? And more importantly, is somebody safeguarding your children considering you think it's ok for an unrelated adult to bedshare with a minor?

I genuinely hope those saying he’s innocent don’t have kids. They don’t have the safeguarding abilities to keep children safeS

@YaMuvva I think it's probably more a case of some people don't want to accuse someone of being a pedophile without a conviction and/or without any physical evidence that it took place.

I know I wouldn't want to use that term about someone without proof but his behaviour was inappropriate, suspicious and highly concerning.

So do you not consider Jimmy Saville to be a sex offender?

@YaMuvva Yes I would as this is supported by the police as far as I know? I might be wrong, I don't know a lot about the case as I can't stand the man.

Don't get me wrong, MJs behaviour was completely wrong and WR and JS account in the documentary is compelling and very emotional. That emotion seems very real.

The police never investigated Saville. All accusation came out posthumously. Dead people can’t be prosecuted and they aren’t investigated.

Of course he was guilty. The trial turned into some sort of racial saga, plus he sang nice tunes.🙄

@YaMuvva how was it confirmed out of interest?

I think it's accepted JS was a prolific sex offender because of all the testimonies from.prople he abused that came out after he died ,there had been rumours throughout his career but they were swept under the carpet, after he died they couldn't drop it coming out there was also a documentary, which I think BBC refused to show but was on ItV?

Saville’s accusers you mean?