Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

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Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

You think MJisinnocnet.com is an FBI website?!

Yes I don’t think Corey was abused by MJ - it goes back to my point about how Jackson picked his victims carefully and it was never the famous kids - but I admire him believing the others.

See!? More BS. Michael was asset rich, but cash poor. And really, when it comes to finances, Michael was being prosecuted by the State of California with a bottomless well of funds. You make it sound like it was just a kid against a mob of expensive lawyers.

Sorry but I'm not buying that he couldn't afford the best legal team: he was a multimillionaire.

Assets can be liquidated if needed and he'd have had no issue raising loans against his estate and catalogue in any case. Or indeed calling on one of his rich friends which seems to be a Hollywood thing.

As PPs have said, take MJ out of it and even one of those factors would have raised a red flag if it was Barry from Asda.

Of course he's guilty. He admitted to sleeping in the same bed with young boys! The parents of those children are just as guilty in my book. Why would you let your child stay over at a grown mans house? People were to frightened to challenge him because of who he was. Those kids were badly let down by so many & he got away with it by flashing the cash & paying people off.

He is a pedophile though. That’s not being a troll it’s a widely recognised fact
sorry I’m not fawning over your mate but I call a spade a spade
Or a nonce a nonce
Why won’t you answer the Barry analogy?

Anyway I’m reporting you @SLIGEACHEIRE for troll hunting

I read the testimony of Jordan Chandler’s mum in the 2005 trial and the way she described how Jackson begged and cried to let her have Jordan share his hotel room is really chilling. It’s a horrific read.

Like Terry George. He adored Michael Jackson and has chosen to forgive him for what he did and actually refuses to believe he abused children, despite being a victim himself. He hasn't sought money. Why would he lie?

he could've begged & cried all he liked there's no way on this earth I'd allow my child to spend the night with a grown adult without me being there.
The fact he was so desperate for the boy to spend the night with him in his room would have had very loud alarm bells ringing for me. But hey, I'm not driven by money or fame just an everyday Mum who'd kids mean more to me than anything.

The way Wade and James both said they have feelings of love towards Jackson really goes to show the intense power of grooming doesn’t it.

MJ superfans use this as a way to ‘prove his innocence’ but I refuse to have conversations with people who don’t understand the basics of grooming

Probably guilty. I don’t think we can ever know for sure now. There are those shows where forensic psychologists have said his upset rebuttals come across as convincing in terms of voice tone and body language which are hard to fake. And weird and damaged doesn’t make criminal. But there is plenty of circumstantial evidence pointing to guilt as well.

What I don’t get at all is the idea that not playing his music will somehow be some form of posthumous justice. Culture isn’t about being nice or even legal, it is about creating something. Even Mein Kampf is an interesting read to see the motivations of a truly warped and evil mind.

The music is great and should be played.

Oh I agree I’m trying to demonstrate how the parents were in a way groomed too.

I bet the parents who didn’t allow their kids near Jackson feel very happy, and probably did it at the expense of their child being a fan who wanted to be Jackson’s friend

Even Mein Kampf is an interesting read to see the motivations of a truly warped and evil mind

😳not being funny but that’s the modern day neo-Nazi charter. “We are interested in Hitler’s character” 🙄 his motivations were pure hate and racism. I don’t find that interesting.

Anyway I shan’t digress. I personally think it’s ok to separate the art from the artist. I don’t in the case of MJ - I don’t think the music is that great anyway, not my style so I’ve lost nothing. But if others want to that’s fine IMO

More BS. Corey Tweeted that Leaving Neverland was "one-sided", then faced a tirade of abuse from the MJ is guilty lynch mob.

https://ew.com/celebrity/2019/03/07/corey-feldman-can-no-longer-defend-michael-jackson/

Corey has never said Michael Jackson is guilty. He has distanced himself because he is a CSA survivor, and he realises if he's saying that Wade and James are liars, then what's to say people can't say the same about him?

I believe Corey is a real victim. But Wade and James are liars. Their motivation is trying to swindle hundreds of millions of 💵 from Michael's Estate.

He has said he believes and supports the victims, as he was a victim himself but not of MJ

How convenient you believe the accuser of an anonymous man but not the very compelling stories of two men who were very clearly abused and have gained nothing from speaking out except abuse and death threats

I thought Jackson had no money?? How can they squeeze millions out a bankrupt estate (FWIW I hope they are awarded every penny because MJ productions are absolutely 100% accountable for the pedophile’s actions)

Exactly something a you know what would do. Thanks for confirmation. You can't handle being called out.

I didn't say he said MJ was guilty, I said he realised the MJ he knew and the one other children knew we're very different, and those people need to be heard.

As an aside I think you should have a break from this thread, you are getting over Invested and confrontational. You are taking people's opinions about Michael Jackson as personal attacks against yourself, It's never good when threads get like that Maybe hide it for a while.

No, It's just me making fun of the utter nonce sense that other people type defending the predatory behaviour!

I think he was a paedophile, who abused many little boys, that is my opinion, I rhought it when he was alive and I will always think that way!

No it’s because it’s against MN rules

I'm sorry about your friend, but the difference is Michael Jackson was shown multiple times with boys sitting in his lap in public, had boys sleep over his house so that is not the same at all!

I'm reasonably convinced of it. The phrase 'in plain sight' is the one which very clearly comes to mind here. It's a recognisable MO amongst this type of offender, for whom it's as good as a go-to strategy: a very clever, devious one. The lengths to which these men will go to secure their victims, to the point of taking on professions giving them ease of access and something of a lack of accountability, is another defining feature.

Men with power such as Jackson, Savile and others of that ilk are untouchable, and they know they're untouchable. Louis Theroux did one of his valuable pieces of investigative broadcasting on Savile, in which Savile boasted that he was Teflon coated and didn't even trouble to hide it.

'In plain sight' is enough of a red flag on its own.

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Why should we MJ did it in plain sight! This fhread is about him being guilty not anyone else!

You are the one who is questionable, you still won't answer the questions you have been asked, so I will ask you this time. If it was Barry frim asda sitting kids on his lap with his arms all over that little boy, if Barry had boys over his house for a sleepover would you still be defending him? And if he wasn't a paedophile why the fuck did he act like one?!

C and Teenage pornography Jackson possessed. Trigger warning:

https://www.mjfacts.com/ctdocs/011805pltreqaseemd.pdf