Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

[InnocentOrGuilty]

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

@x2boys Thank you, that rings a bell now you have mentioned it. Didn't a member of the Sex Pistols raise it back in the day but he got silenced? I might be thinking of something else though. Like I said, I don't know a lot about the case as the man has always irritated me.

Yes i think he did ,a lot of people had concerns, but he was seen as a national.treasure and raised huge amounts of money for charity ,he also.had friends in the highest of places so was " untouchable " .

Have MJs children ever confirmed or denied witnessing or experiencing anything?
the industry is full of nonces sadly. People turn a blind eye because they know it’ll destroy their own reputation. Look at the p.diddy situation and how many celebs cover for each other.
From memory didn’t several of the children confess their parents forced them to lie for the money? Or was this discredited? Genuinely curious as I never followed the case when it happened so I like to keep an open mind until I have all evidence.
If he was guilty surely all traces would have been wiped of him like saville?
Im on the fence, I’ve read a lot of for and against and both are equally bizarre. I wouldn’t discredit the boys accounts of what happened, sadly it seems he was a nonce based on their experiences, although some of the things I’ve read make me consider other possibilities too like a set up.
Spending time with little boys in bed as a grown man is wrong and concerning, theres no doubt about that, although automatically seeing it as sexual is odd in itself because the majority of adults don’t look at children in that way.
So I can see why many people are saying that MJ was unwell and stuck in a childlike manner who may not have seen it in a sexualised way as other adults would. He didn’t have a real childhood due to being in the limelight, being abused and wanted to get it back by playing with other boys, something he wasn’t allowed to do as an actual child. It is creepy, he must have known how it looked if he was innocent, and if he was guilty he didn’t care that everyone knew what he was doing.
I wouldn’t allow my own children to be alone with a man never mind a sleep over, but imo if MJ is a nonce then so are the children’s parents for condoning, enabling and encouraging the behaviours. The whole situation is wrong and disturbing, mostly so from the parents who allowed it to happen for money and fame.
I had a shit abusive childhood myself and while I am okay now, I also know that everyone deals with ptsd differently, trauma does funny things to people so one person may recover after therapy, another person may make several poor life choices and go off the rails. so saying you had a bad childhood but don't play with children is correct for you but for others like MJ that may be their mentality and how they coped with their trauma.
All the accounts of witnesses are just as concerning. If housekeepers etc knew about it and kept quiet then they are also guilty. Why didn’t any of them call the police? Why didn’t they gain evidence in form of photos/videos to use against him? Were they all paid to lie?
A theory I read years back was that MJ was set up. He wouldn’t conform to Hollywood demands and they didn’t like the influence he had on the world and his fans. He owned half of Sony and wanted to leave. ‘They’ wanted him gone. The best way to do that is to damage his reputation. Make people hate him and turn on him so he loses fans. Being outed as a nonce is the easiest way to do that as no one would support a nonce. If true then the plan didn’t work as his fans and supporters didn’t believe it so next stop was killing him off.
Im more inclined to say guilty, as a parent it makes me feel sick if it had been my child regardless of what went on, and also for the simple fact the boys were ditched when they grew up I’d place MJ as an unpleasant man for that alone.

Of course he was innocent, just like OJ!

I do think he was guilty.

I mean there is not much proof, other than the children's accounts.

But there us not much proof of Jimmy Saville abusing people either. All we have is people's accounts. I do think Jimmy Saville was guilty too.

The only thing that throws a question of doubt over Michael Jackson, is that the children and the grown up victims sued him for money, so they got something out of it.

But we can't just say because Michael was a millionaire, he was targeted.

There are plenty other millionaire celebrities in California that have never been accused of being paedophiles

He was investigated posthumously as part of “Operation Yewtree”.

It was Johnny Rotton who tried to speak out about Saville, but he and the Sex Pistols were banned from appearing on the bbc if I remember correctly.

That was the name, I couldn't remember what he was called. Yes I think they were banned from being played on radio too for a time.

Yes. I think he abused those boys

I do feel some judgment towards the parents, but they were groomed too. And I guess he was clever enough to know which types of parents would be more susceptible…

Bollocks.

Susceptible to money…. They’re absolutely disgusting and as abusive as he was.

They were groomed through having access to a star, to this amazing lifestyle, tickets to shows, travel etc and through thinking MJ’s friendship was an amazing opportunity for their children. Clearly they weren’t the sharpest tools in the box and they may have been a bit fame and money hungry, but MJ definitely groomed them and suckered them in. In fact, those factors probably made it easier for MJ to groom them.

This is how pedo’s work. They either pick kids who are vulnerable with no one looking out for them or they make themselves out to be a great person who is an asset to the child’s life. They groom the parents and win them over.

It’s how they gain access to children. It’s all part of their plan. The parents fell for it.

One child out of his 8 accusers received financial payout from Jackson.
They sued it to build a new life away from the people who began to harras their abused son.
I don’t blame them. And it worked, the victim is apparently impossible to track down and has changed his identity

Is that Jordy?

Who are the other 7 kids please that haven't sued him for money

G. Absolutely no doubt in my mind.

Leif Garrett
Terry George
Jonathan Spence (who never directly accused Michael but naked pictures of him were found in Michael’s house so it’s pretty safe to say he was abused)
James Safechuck
Wade Robson
Michael Jacobshagen
Gavin Arvizo

The list of non-accusers but boys who Jackson had inappropriate relationships with is extensive, and most have not defended Jackson. It’s funny how all these apparently money grasping little boys exist it actually only one received a payout, because they needed it to escape the hell they were experiencing because they’d been abused by a superstar.

The money.grabbing argument is the standard celebrity defense now, isn't it? It's part of how they keep getting away with it. Currently used by Russell Brand and Kevin Spacey among others.
God...I used to love Kevin Spacey.

Yes does the money grabbing narrative extend to employees too. So accepting a payment for wrongful dismissal.
Or for other victims such as those who receive compensation fought for by lawyers such as injury lawyers for you?
Or does the term only apply to victims of sexual assault?

They might have been groomed but who the hell would leave their small child with somebody who was so decidedly odd for weeks on ?

The parents might well be culpable. It doesn't make MJ any less guilty. It's a bit like the 'she was asking for it' argument.

It’s funny how there are actually much wealthier people than me, and there were wealthier people than Jackson - why do those people never get falsely accused? Why was Madonna never accused of child sex abuse? She was wealthier than Jackson and just as famous and adored.

I think it’s hard to accept that people can and do sell access to their children in exchange for wealth and opportunities. And nonces like Jackson are ready and waiting and spot these parents a country mile off

I think the parents’ choices were extraordinary, but I do not believe that any of them thought he was abusing their children. I think they were totally groomed into the cult of St Michael the benificent superstar as are the fans on this thread.