Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

[InnocentOrGuilty]

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

How does any of this disprove he raped and abused the little boys who’ve accused him?

I won’t read your anti-child nonce lover website thanks, it’s biased and full of lies

Why do you think Jackson behaved so much like a pedophile if he wasn’t one? And would you let your kids have a sleepover there?

The housekeeper testified the truth in the 2005 trial, later corroborated by Jackson accusers. She got out of there because she didn’t want her son to be the next target but she left on the back of fear and threats

Do you have any links from credible sources please?

You are not seriously buying these thought it was innocent” BS? He’d already been charged so clearly knew it wasn’t. Yet he carried on and judging by witness accounts deeply bullied and manipulated parents into letting their children sleep with him, he’d cry if they said no

No I meant sick as in disgusting and vile.

So why did he have so much pornography if he was asexual? And why would he act so very much like a pedophile if he wasn’t one?

We will never (imho) get a definitive, 100% clear cut answer. Social media of today means that you can 'prove' he was guilty and 'prove' he was innocent and you can find whatever 'facts' fit your belief via the internet.

I think this thread has been on the whole measured and polite, however - it's certainly helped me to make a decision in my own head.

I'm sorry for all posters who experienced child sa.

Jesus the absolutely stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me.

Why was sleeping in beds with children something he absolutely had to do? Why wasn’t spending time with them in the day enough?

He did have a childhood. He wasn’t born aged 18. He just didn’t have a normal childhood. But that applies to many people, now many do you think slept with little boys in their beds and built a fairground in their garden…but we’re also shrewd businessmen?

I cannot believe people fall for the childlike persona nonsense. It’s a carefully curated mask he created so he could get away with his crimes in plain sight

O am not saying that he was not odd but I also think the court that found him not guilty when he was alive is more credible than a documentary show after his death.

You need to read up on how America does court cases then

It is beyond cruel to drag his name through the mud when he can't defend himself.

So are Saville’s victims being cruel?

Im not clicking on your BS.

But you’re wrong about the building / it was built but planning permission hadn’t been sought it was done retrospectively

Also children are not perfect historians, as a CSA survivor I can tell you that memories, times, ages and events middle in the brain of a healthy child and even more so in a traumatised brain.

What have his victims got to gain except hate and abuse?

Can you answer the Barry from Asda analogy i posted upthread?

I bet all these people defending his actions wouldn't have let their own children anywhere near him! He was a predator who groomed little boys and the public with his "but i'm just a child myself" bollocks!

More people get away with crimes than are wrongly convicted

Funny how 8-9 boys all have false memories of the same thing and the same person who was behaving like a pedo actually BEING a pedo.

Strange ey. No one has ever made a false memory about me or anyone I know

Are you going to tell us what the lies are from a credible source?

Also can you answer the Barry from Asda analogy and if you would let your kids have a sleepover with Jackson? And why he had book after book of naked boys? And why he as yes so much like a pedophile?

It's all lies you know @YaMuvva he was just an innocent man who liked the company of children and all those mean little boys told lies to get his money!

This thread is clearly full of people with personal issues; I don't know is it jealousy, hatred, racism, confusion, what.

You called Michael a disgusting word. No evidence of it, exonerated by the FBI, hounded by Tom Sneddon, who belonged in the South from a bygone age, tried every dirty tactic to lynch Michael on numerous occasions. The whole State of California tried their best, to prosecute Michael. Michael Jackson was asset rich, but cash poor. Sony? How long have you got? That's a WHOLE other story. Michael was investigated by every institution, police, child services, you name it. There is no evidence, because there is nothing to answer for.

Yes, it was inappropriate on his part, and I'm not denying it, but he may have also seen it as social constructs, like how people question a man who's in crèche working. Why's he doing that? There has to be something wrong.

But I think in years to come Michael will be viewed as a pinnacle of injustice.

"But I think in years to come Michael will be viewed as a pinnacle of injustice."
😂😂😂😂 are you for real @SLIGEACHEIRE ?
I think the opposite, I think most people will still think he's a filthy nonce in 10, 20, 50 years time, same as they do now and did when he was alive!

Oh sorry. The art books? A library that contained 10's of thousands of books, books many fans sent him, and he never ever even seen. But this, THIS, is your smoking gun? Not his internet history, which revealed he was a normal straight man, the most disturbing thing was he sometimes searched mature women. The horror!
Anyone want to talk about Tom Sneddon who would try anything to try and lunch Michael? Like changing the dates of the alleged abuse when it was clear it couldn't have occurred on said date. Or how he tried to get Gavin Arviso to handle a piece of state evidence to get his finger prints on a heterosexual adult magazine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/b61dxv/about_tom_sneddon_falsifying_fingerprint_evidence/

Rot in hell, "D.S."

If you're guilty, why would you antagonise a ¢### like Tom?

We don’t hate. We just know a pedophile when we see one.

YOU are the hater. The anger of all those little abused boys because you’d rather swallow nonsense about a lost childhood than accept your creepy little hero is a nonce. Do you know attitudes like yours enable pedophilia and contribute to the silence of victims. Does that make you feel good?

There’s in TONNES of evidence. Including compelling victim testimony, witness testimony, forensic evidence and heaps of sexual pictures do little boys. He was accused by 8 or 9 people, openly slept in beds with little boys.

Would you let your kid sleep with him?
Can you answer the Barry from Asda analogy?
And even if you thought there was no sexual activity going on, you can’t doubt that he trafficked little boys in that he befriended them (just the pretty ones!) made them adore him, walked around holding their hands, sitting them on his crotch, and traded them in for a younger model when he no longer had an interest. Even you can’t escape that fact. What do you think of that behaviour?

But I think in years to come Michael will be viewed as a pinnacle of injustice.

I agree because he was a child sex abuser who got away with it. Injustice indeed

Suuuurre the man accused of child sex abuse who had the ‘art’ books full of naked boys - they were gifts he’d never seen how convenient 🤣🤣tell me, why would fans send a man who they MIST have thought was wrongly accused of child molestation, books of pictures of naked boys? How did the fans get them into Jackson’s locker?

Are you talking about Tom Sneddon the prosecutor whose job it was to try and convict Michael? Are you now saying your little nonce friend should not have had a fair trial?! You have no evidence or your accusations of Tom Sneddon, except from your request half wit pedo apologist friends.

Ill ask again - and you won’t answer because your answer will show your cognitive dissonance - can you answer the Barry from Asda analogy, would you let your kid sleep over at Jackson’s (no problem if he’s not a pedophile so you have no reason to say no) and why would someone whose not a pedophile act so very much like a pedophile?

It's neverending the BS that people will type. I see right through people like you.

The Chandlers back in 1993 didn't get Michael's money. His insurance company paid out. You're just exposing yourself as, iiiii, well, honest people can fill in the blanks.

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Michael-Jackson-settle-out-of-court-in-1993-What-was-the-deep-down-reason-Was-he-forced-advised-or-not?topans=314917690

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I want to edit the message again to make the YouTube link clear, but can't. It should be alright.

You're not worth my time, or anyone else's who's interested in justice, and the truth. But you keep doing you, and whatever that is.

Right back at you. I hope you can sort out whatever major malfunction is wrong with you. You seem irredeemable though. Some would say, unfortunately. Meh!