Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

[InnocentOrGuilty]

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

I grew up in the 80's and was a massive fan of MJ. Me and my friend wanted to write to Jimmy Saville to ask if he could fix it for us to meet him. We never did, thank god. I had all his music and even went to see him at the old Wembley stadium for his Dangerous tour in 1992. It was incredible. I was always a bit dubious as to whether he was guilty and it was easier and more comfortable to think that he was a kid inside that never grew up.

Then I watched Leaving Neverland.

Those two men are 100% telling the truth! I am also a SA survivor and when you watch it, you just know that they are. SA affects every part of your life and changes your brain. You can't fake that.

He was guilty.

Have you read all of that persons post? And all you take away from it is the fact that they got the name of a documentary wrong? Have you got zero empathy? What on earth is the matter with you?

Yes unfortunately I do

As an abused child myself (started when I was 10) I recognise grooming and manipulation. I think G. Always little pretty boys, removed from families, sharing beds, etc and then dropped when they became old enough to stand up for themselves. People say he was child like, but he was a shrewd business man, cunning even, so not That naive. Money talks. I cannot listen to his music - the pretence makes me shake with fear.

"Jackson's housekeeper".

Just another example of so many people that don't have a clue and will believe any of the lies the media try to portray. She sold her BS stories to the media, she still does. Adrian McManus along with others tried to sue Michael for $16 million and lost, she was ordered to pay Michael $1.5 million for costs and $35,000 for theft. She never paid a penny of it. Her "evidence" was ripped asunder in the 2005 trial. She has said that Michael kissed and fondled Macaulay Culkin, he said it never happened. As well as seeing other incidents, only to admit under cross examination she didn't.

She said Michael's sex life with Lisa Marie Presley was fake. Lisa Marie always maintained they had a perfectly normal, healthy sexual relationship, and even though they divorced they remained close friends up until his death.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/n9j2zi/story_behind_this_were_they_introduced_as/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-30201778.html

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2019/03/02/what-the-maid-saw-adrian-mcmanus-about-michael-jackson/

Adrian McManus is a proven liar, she was exposed in court several times, and yet she still has the audacity to keep doing it. She has plenty in common with Wade and James in that regard.

Yes. I think he was guilty.

From the absence of common sense.

Why sleepovers?

If you wanted to create a magical experience for children - you'd do it in daytime when they and their imaginations were most active.

And why after the first sexual abuse accusation did the sleepovers keep going on and parents/"victims" paid off?

I'm not Michael. I have however had hundreds (It will make me wince to think how many - three children for 30 years and most weekends - it's an effort). Yeah I know Michael didn't have to think of food or entertainment. But seriously every child is different. You have to monitor them and make sure they're comfortable enough to talk to you and shout out if they need help.

So what motivated him?

And where precisely was his sexual libido? Or sexual interests? He had some. Because he invented new dance styles. He personally invented grabbing his crotch as a dance movement.

You may be too young. But his physical dance performances changed the way of every choreographer. He broke boundaries. And it was sexual expression.

We had "Top of the Pops" all girl band performing like Grecian dancers, lifting elegant legs. We had DJs like DLT expressing surprise over slightly risky lyrics in "Son of a Preacher Man". We had punk. And then we had an explosion of difference and new. Michael was at the centre of it. Madonna was a later part of it. But Thriller? That completely shocked and shook up the musical world.

Zombies were not part of our every day reality. The shock factor was enormous. So all the sexuality was different, with a different tag. We saw the shock factor of Zombies first.

And then following Michael shaking up the music scene - it went very pornographic. Every singer and his dog had nude, scantily clad girls on every music video. Just dumb, scantily clad girls there for sex.

Yes. I absolutely think Michael was guilty. He wasn't part of the masses. Very skilled. Very talented. Very flawed. But he was very sexual. And he wasn't attracted to grown up boys or girls.

Some people are either stupid or Crazy. He loved porn but his sleeping with children was childlike and innocent 🤔 call what you like, it’s child abuse.

What proven lies are those?

"And why after the first sexual abuse accusation did the sleepovers keep going on and parents/"victims" paid off?"

Please do tell us who are these parents/"victims" that were paid off? Absolute nonsense.

Michael knew he didn't do anything wrong, I mean in regards to sexually. Of course, it's not a good idea to have them, but in his mind, sleepovers are completely innocent, and he didn't want to let the twisted media perception win out. I remember hearing thathe said, though not first hand, that by not having them, he was being controlled and that he was admitting that bad things happened at them.

https://www.truemichaeljackson.com/issues/accusations-and-trial/sleepovers/

100% guilty.

Same as Kevin Spacey.

To the people who think he is innocent.

Why did he take little boys to stay in hotel rooms with him.

Would you think it's OK if Tony Blair (I'm picking someone at random) took ten year old boys to stay in hotels with him?

Are you seriously saying they he thought sleepovers were innocent.

I was just thinking I've only been at sleepovers with children that were in my own family. With my nieces

When i was at those sleepovers, I didn't sleep in a bed with my nieces. That's inappropriate for an adult to sleep in the same bed as a child. They had their own bed.

MJ regularly slept with children in the same bed as him. Its not normal

I might be in a minority but I think he is innocent. You do know that he was tried in an actual court when he was alive and found not guilty? Many of the allegations have come out since he died and they reek of hearse chasing, trying to get what they can out of the estate. The parents who let their sons have sleep overs with MJ suddenly have qualms about it now? But they were fine about it then? Something isn't right there.

But the main reason I think he is innocent is that I simply think he was asexual. He was basically a man-child, frozen in childhood because he never had one and continually trying to create a childhood for himself, with zoos, fairground rides, pet monkeys, and childish sleepovers. So, yeah. I am with the great Dave Chapelle and calling it as a massive moral panic about a man who was one of a kind, a genius that people want to knock off his pedestal. End of.

I've said it before. He's not the only one that had a bad childhood. The rest of us are not frozen as women children. I don't sleep in beds with children

I don't think the parents do have qualms about it now. They were the types that would sell their child to an abuser, and they are still like that now.

It's the children who were abused that are now grown up, are the ones speaking out about it, not their parents.

G

G
Guilty.
Ask yourself would you actually leave your child with him based on evidence found? Yes there's nothing that got him put in jail... but there's enough that I would never in a million years leave a child with him.

"MJ regularly slept with children in the same bed as him."

No, he didn't. Yes, sometimes he did end up sleeping in the same bed, but he said it himself in the Martin Bashir documentary, paraphrasing, "you're trying to make it sexual, making it sinister, I don't think that way". More often than not, he slept on the floor while they slept in the bed.

I agree, it wasn't a good idea. I think he was socially stunted, possibly mentally immature and trusted children more than adults. He was obviously eccentric as well, most geniuses are. He had a completely different upbringing and life to 99.9999999% of people.

He did regularly sleep in the same bed as children.

James safechuck said that when he was a child, he was invited on Michael Jackson's "bad" tour, and that he shared a hotel room and hotel bed with Michael Jackson on the tour.

I don't think you can say

"Sleeping in the same bed as children, just wasn't a good idea"

If a celebrity did that now, they'd be charged with a crime, for sleeping in the same bed as a child. It's an abuse as power.

What If we said - oh there's Gary Barlow inviting a ten year old on tour with him, and sleeping in the same bed as the child.

I Don't think the police would like it

I disagree about him being asexual, he had loads of pornography in his house, so I think he just didn't want sex with adults because he was a paedophile.

Editing to add that the man child, childlike innocent bollocks was just what he wanted people to think so he could get away with grooming and abusing little boys!

I didn't say that it was because of a 'bad' childhood but that he didn't HAVE a childhood - shot to stardom when he was about 10. I am sure you are very well adjusted but no two experiences are ever alike, and MJs were entirely unique. A creative genius and one of the most famous people on the planet, it has to warp your ability to trust other people. Children are innocent and much easier to trust. I am not saying that he was not odd but I also think the court that found him not guilty when he was alive is more credible than a documentary show after his death. It is beyond cruel to drag his name through the mud when he can't defend himself.

People will sell their child for money and fame. Its been shown over and over. They will sell their child to a celebrity, so they can be friends with a celebrity. It's been shown in other cases. Remember when the two young women were going to let their young children be abused by the lostprophets star.

I was watching leaving neverland and I just thought the parents of the kids were shocking. They were literally blinded by fame
The literally let their child stay in beds with Jacko, because they ,- the parents got benefits.

People have been saying Michael Jackson was a paedophile when he was alive as well,

They didn't say it just after he died

Elizabeth Taylor shot to stardom at a younger age than Michael Jackson.

She had a very similar childhood to him. She said that she felt she didn't have a childhood and that she was working from a very young age.

However there are no stories about liz taylor bringing 8 year old girls into bed with her.

His childhood is no excuse