Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

[InnocentOrGuilty]

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

So that means Jackson who could not have behaved more like a pedophile if he tried, is innocent?

You’re defending a pedophile and you say I’m distasteful?

Books of naked little boys were found. Do YOU have that kind of literature on your bookshelf?

But DO you think Saville is innocent? He was never even arrested let alone charged

Guilty.

I am a CSA survivor and Wade and James have a really good podcast called “Trauma to Triumph” which I’ve found very helpful. They speak to other CSA survivors, about the roles of families, about society attitudes. It’s immensely offensive to think that, considering they’ve gained nothing from their disclosures - except some very credible threats against them and their children - they’d go to such great efforts and get their families in on the lie too and soon this out for…literally nothing.
Theyre very brave and as a survivor I do appreciate their efforts to help other survivors

I

Why do you think he’s innocent?

Even if by some remote chance he wasn’t guilty, his behaviour was completely beyond inappropriate and a major safeguarding issue.

If you take the same scenario but remove the fame element then it is perhaps clearer how inappropriate his long term repetitive behaviour was:
Similar scenario: ‘Music teacher regularly invites pupils to sleep the night in his bed when away on school trips.’

Would that be acceptable even if nothing sexual happened? Why does being a celebrity who missed out on a childhood make this behaviour misunderstood rather than disgusting?

God yes.
A friend of mine went to see this the other week. Wtaf.

That’s what’s so strange. What about his fame bedazzles people?

The combination of adolescent and child nude images + adult/“teen” porn - which were all jumbled together, along with internet search history including adoption websites - rung loud alarm bells. The thing I found most disturbing was the bag of underwear and bloodied bedlinen. Likely he would have argued he’d had a woman over. But did the police check the dna against the boys who had been staying over?

I’m sure that the police findings + the sleepovers with boys would have prompted a SS safeguarding investigation in the U.K.

Without a shadow of doubt - guilty

I just personally think he was deprived of a normal childhood by his Father and tried to relive a 'normal childhood' late in life. It's very odd as a man to be hanging out with young boys - but I wonder whether his own childhood or lack of, manifested in him regressing into a childlike state later in life, plus obvious mental health issues. I'm not saying its right or acceptable, but I just don't feel it was paedophilia. Just my opinion though.

As Lisa Marie presley said "who didn't have a bad childhood".

I had a very bad childhood. I still don't hang around with 10 year old girls, or sleep in beds with them

Well you believe that because that’s the narrative he created and you fell for it. If Barry down the road was reliving his childhood with children in his bed would you think that was justified? Would you be so naive?

In his bedroom was found a jumble of books of nude children and adolescents mixed in with adult porn. What about that is “reliving a normal childhood”? Children don’t have other children to stay in their beds.

If he had regressed to childhood how do you explain the adult nature of his songs and his act - complete with crotch clutching? What about that is childlike?

Or have you taken refuge in that idea becaue you cannot cope with the reality that an adult sexually active male was sharing a bed with boys for years without anyone stepping in to save them?

He certainly didn’t have a normal childhood as most of us are not global superstars at the age of 5.

However unless a normal 5yo behaves like a pedophile, why would he act his childhood out in this world with only little boys of a certain and not have the company of adults who perhaps didn’t have a childhood either? Also as an adult he should have known that sleeping in beds with little boys was inappropriate, even if we take the benefit of the doubt that he was a manchild.

So in the context of 8 or 9 boys making very credible allegations of sexual abuse, his open grooming of little boys, the two child sex abuse charges, his penchant for having books of naked boys, sleeping in the bed of little boys - do you still think ‘not having a normal childhood’ cancels out the red flags of all of these?

I’m a CSA survivor and did not have a normal childhood at all, I didn’t have friends over or sleepovers because of what was happening in my life. I manage not to ‘recreate’ this by having little girls sleep over with me.

Playing devil’s advocate - even if this WAS his excuse for his behaviour who does he deeply problematic need to use children for his own personal therapy Trump their rights to safety and consideration?

I think your last paragraph is spot on and I think there’s 3 Jackson camps:
1 that knows he’s guilty
2 that thinks he’s innocent
1 that says he’s innocent because the thought of what happened to his victims is so unbearable to accept, so it’s easier to accept the lie.

I don’t have anger towards the third group, it’s not nice to think of CSA and the people who perpetrate it but I think if anyone has the headspace to they need to apply critical thinking WRT Jackson’s behaviour

He was guilty. But the parents who happily sent their children off for sleep overs are just as guilty.

When people say he was abused in childhood we need to remember this is coming from a renowned liar who claimed in 2004 that he had never had plastic surgery.

Reminder: he looked like this.

I don’t believe a word that comes out his mouth

There’s also:

4 Fans who love his songs & want to continue to listen without guilt. Refuse to believe that they could be duped by a sex offender.

Yes. Listening to his music makes me feel gross I will turn the radio off if they play his music

G

If you were in any way educated, or intelligent, for that matter, you'd know that name Wacko Jacko is highly offensive, but that's the kind of ignorance I don't expect a simpleton like you to understand or care about.

Michael Jackson was lynched by the media. Try growing a brain, think for yourself and realise you've been manipulated. Michael Jackson was one of the most powerful people in the music industry, he owned half of Sony.

Yes, he was naive, but he tried to see the good in the world and helped out any way he could.

He was investigated by the FBI for over a decade, by police and social services. They forensically scoured his computers, his ranch, his life, every single facet of his life. What did they find? Nothing!

He was the most famous person on the planet, but, in time, I think he's going to become the most famous person of injustice.

His accusers are proven liars, every one of them. All motivated by, and sued for money. Whenever it has gone to court, they've lost, every time, because they deal with facts, not tabloid BS.

You are talking out of your arse . Like wacko jacko .

You're full of $h1t, and you've proven you've got an agenda against Michael Jackson. If he had that kind of ₱0®N, he would have been arrested on the spot there and then, charged straight away.

The same goes goes for the phantom accurate description by JC of Michael's anatomy. Disgusting accusations, that don't deserve any merit or hold any truth. If it were true, again, Michael would have been arrested straight away. Jordy Chandler could have testified in 2005, but refused to. Why? His father created the whole fake narrative, back in 1993, tried to blackmail Michael. Michael wouldn't pay and it led to the civil lawsuit. Which is a whole other thing. If your kid was abused you'd want that person behind bars. They got their money and ran. They could have had both, but as dirt as they were, they didn't want an innocent man going to jail. They got what they was, money.

Some people are either stupid, ignorant or just want to perpetuate the lie that Michael Jackson was guilty.

https://twitter.com/MJonTheBrain/status/1777921334192025617

That's the real Michael Jackson.