Piers Morgan interview with real Baby Reindeer Martha

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I am strangely looking forward to hearing her side….shame it’s with Piers Morgan though 🙈

https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/tv/baby-reindeer-real-martha-piers-morgan-fiona-harvey-richard-gadd-112360-20240508

See I didn't even notice the hyper bowl instead of hyperbole however I did notice 'mucked up' and I think that's an odd turn of phrase

the hmmm and ahhhhh

the bbc breaking news

the clear disdain for the actress who portrayed her

loved it and hated it at the same time - much like the actual show!

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I think hmmm and ahhh gives her time to think of what to say next. I did find her superior attitude towards the actress including the area she was from and appearance surprising.

In the same way when Charlize Theron was in monster and had a complete make under to play the part. The actress that played Martha did the same. She did a great job capturing the role of a Martha as the writer has written the part.

She is IRL an attractive woman that comes across very personable on screen. That's the art of acting isn't it?

I do however appreciate it wouldn't be nice to see yourself depicted on screen in a way that isn't flattering. Especially if you don't see yourself and your actions in that manner.

If indeed she is the Martha that is written about as it has not been confirmed. I imagine due to the legalities it may not be.

Yeah she didn't dodge the question. She did an ordinary degree - I think she would have got a Pass, Merit or distinction

Personality disorders are difficult to deal with because they skirt the distinction between mentally ill and mentally well. I don't buy the "she's mentally ill" excuse because I don't think she is. Delusions can be a sign of mental illness, but false beliefs are also held by people with NPD and APD. A psychopathic murderer certainly wouldn't be excused from their crimes because they're 'mentally ill'. She came across remarkably well all things considered, but she was obviously lying about multiple things. She appeared to believe her lies as well.

I don't think people with personality disorders should be displayed on tv for entertainment. It's all a bit exploitative even though it seems she deserves all she gets on the surface.

I noticed that she has a strong dislike for "Jessica the actress", who was after all just doing her job and playing a part. It sounds like she's a bit jealous that Jessica got to work so closely to Gadd.

I don’t get why everyone’s obsessed with HER when she did some daft stuff if it’s true. But she’s a Normal non famous person.

however the guy who raped him? He’s apparently well known in tv? Why isn’t the lynch mob after the guy?

Her body language is hysterical, she says No that didn't happen at the same time as nodding her head yes. She also looks up like she's recalling a memory when piers replays parts of the show.
There's definitely a mental illness issue but I was expecting her to come across as vulnerable but didn't get that feeling at all, she's very arrogant and defensive and obviously completely delusional.

Because he's powerful and they'll get sued?

Right.. so we’ve gone after the non-powerful (perhaps vulnerable) woman. Makes sense! Don’t know why I’m surprised 😂

The problem was that she should have been able to explain what an Ordinary Degree was and why it was unclassified. She didn’t cotton on to the fact that PM did not understand the system and spoke as if it should be obvious to him. A person with emotional intelligence would have picked this up and a good lawyer could have given a clear back-to-basics explanation, like others have done in this thread.

I think she also said she had done the English CPE, which would have been the first step towards qualifying as an English solicitor when she came to London.

I wonder how she supports herself?

She reminded me a bit of Susan Boyle with the very staccato, fast Scottish delivery.

People do say “mucked up” quite a lot in Scotland. She said she went to school in Balfron, which is not far from where I grew up. My Mum would have said “you’ve mucked that right up”.

I use the phrase mucked up, I'm in Scotland and it is a common turn of phrase up here.

I think she came across as a stronger figure in the interview than in the series.

In the show there’s a softness about her (when she isn’t full of rage), but in reality she’s tough as nails, quite bright and dodges like a politician in conversation. Which is altogether more scary.

She denies but then is noncommittal regarding the emails, she brings up things to cover herself (such as previous allegations), she shows the same jealous nastiness over women getting close to Gadd (lead actress) and towards anyone contradicting her point of view (Piers etc), she doesn’t like the comparison between the actress and herself as it isn’t compatible with her deluded sense of self, she alludes to having multiple email addresses, phones and has an encyclopaedic knowledge of dates, times, events relating to Gadd and all things baby reindeer (though it’s always a friend who told her or who saw, or she was googling for something else).

Gadd played a risky business dredging this back up and is relying on publicity to protect him. But equally it shows his obsession both with ‘Martha’ and fame, and his need to free himself of demons.

That's exactly my views. If the interview with Piers is indicative of how she really is, then Gadd was a lot more sympathetic to her than he ought to have been. It's very clear from the interview that she's still actively devouring every piece of information she can find on Gadd. She was deliberately evasive for most of it and outright lied for the rest. Whilst I do believe she had mental health issues I also believe that she is simultaneously a very nasty and dangerous woman.

In the show there’s a softness about her (when she isn’t full of rage), but in reality she’s tough as nails, quite bright and dodges like a politician in conversation. Which is altogether more scary.

I agree with this. Her eyes are like hard little marbles. You really wouldn't want to find yourself in her crosshairs. Whereas 'Martha' as played by Jessica Gunnar had a gentleness about the face and somehow came across as more human. Obviously FH is 'vulnerable' but what a scary individual.

But if his story is to be believed then she came across as gentle and human to him at times too.
It was clear from the voicemails at the end that she could switch, she could go from harsh and vile to very warm and speaking about him so tenderly and with such fondness, and he was smiling listening to that.

Yes, I'm sure she has different sides to her. Just saying there's nothing warm about those eyes. I don't know quite why it is but some people just have a look about the eyes that says something isn't right (window to the soul?)

I don’t know, it was more her demeanour and body language I was referring to than anything about her physicality.

She was well prepared, controlled, cool as a cucumber. I honestly think she wouldn’t have tripped up at all except for the length of the interview and it being PM.

Don’t worry. They’re going after him right now. Martha/Fiona outed herself so avoided being the subject of a Russel Brand/Kevin Spacey TV investigation.

The rapist will be outed soon enough but it won’t be his choice.

Another unethical interview from Morgan

I'm here for the outing of the rapist.

Does anyone know who Katherine Ryan has been alluding to all these years?

Could it be the same person?

Or was that Brand?

That was Russell Brand.

It is widely believed that Katherine Ryan was alluding to Brand.
The #metoo moment in comedy hasn't really happened though.
It is word-of-mouth like in the US.
Louis CK was cancelled. Aziz Ansari was deemed a bad date/coercive.
But there are other male comedians in the UK who haven't had allegations come to light - to the extent that many thought the Dispatches would be more wide-ranging with more than one mentioned.

As to Gadd's assailant, I think he has done a composite but am not sure why they've made more effort than with Fiona. I do keep coming back to this - she was Irish in the play, making her Scottish seems deliberate and foolhardy.
Derrien means wealthy.
One of Gadd's mentors/producers has a surname that can translate to "rich".
Also similarities with dance/meditation mumbo-jumbo.
This man has also sold the production company, show that he was doing for Netflix was not renewed and he's done little since. Not a household name for most unless you're in the industry of course. Had mentored/found other famous comedians. Helped direct a disturbing film. Gadd spoke favourably of him in an interview but that doesn't mean he wasn't still in awe/denial. This man has said nothing at all on the subject. Has been in a couple of media reports.
The reason the man that Richard Osman says has got dragged into it falsely and unfairly lay in his physical appearance, the material + body part title of the show he wrote for and the fact that Gadd in a DM allegedly didn't confirm or deny. His plea for stopping looking was also pithy.
There was then the very ill-timed resignation which was planned but coincided poorly with accusatory tweet telling him to step down. This man has denied it and contacted the police.
A third name was mentioned very briefly but ruled out as he was thanked by Gadd in the play credits. This man is on no one's radar as it should be.
One of the three had a pet, cannot remember which one and cannot be arsed to look.
It could therefore be that Gadd has written a mixture of people he has known and mixed it up a bit. In which case, it really wasn't fair on those he has worked with.

I found her quite sinister

She was so articulate didn’t believe a word of it