Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.

[DuncinToffee]

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I have no words

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/18/child-care-cost-year-wealth-funds-councils-britain-residential

That’s horrific 🥺

I watched a documentary about the same thing happening in America @Eve it's circular over there because they keep them in the system and sadly the tend to offend then be put back into the system of prisons. Using kids as fodder. Again tied into religious ideology where parents at church were sold a pyramid scheme to send their "naughty" kids in with the kids taken in too. Harrowing. https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/the-program-cons-cults-kidnapping-release-date-trailer-news

That article is disturbing. Those poor children.

It rather explains why local government is falling apart at the seams.

Sometimes I wonder how on earth we find a way back from all of this.

Sadly I think you're right.

By the way, Dec 12th is the last possible date they can dissolve parliament for an election in January. Gives them an extra couple of months for their scorched earth policy.

Heads on spikes tends to reset for a while.

Do you believe in capital punishment?

Definitely not. For a variety of reasons that we needn't go into here.

Personally I wouldn't be putting a head on a spike. But there will come times when those that will, will. History tells us this.

It's always amusing to discuss alternative histories - especially with people that know their history. Because as you do more and more, you realise that there aren't "pivotal" moments in history. That's all bollocks dreamt up by simple people for simple people.

The reality is when change comes, it's as a result of preceding changes that make it inevitable, when you zoom out.

For example, the US was going to enter WW2 no matter what happened when. If it wasn't Japan in December 1941, it could have been Japan in 1942. Or Germany in 1943. There isn't a "history" in which America did not enter (or win) the war. "The Man In The High Castle" is a splendid paradigm of Dicks complex view of the world. But as a "what if" it's dead in the water.

Rome was always going to fall. So was Constantinople,. WW1 was always going to happen, no matter what happened to Archie Duke and his ostrich.

Whether things happen within our time, or are pushed out a few decades - maybe a century - won't change the fact that's where we are headed. And apparently, looking at the polling, where we want to be.

Funny old world, innit ?

Agreed.

When did the Roman Empire become Italy?

When did the British Empire become uhm.. the UK..

Pivotal moments do happen, in some areas. But not often.

So when will the U.K. change, and how? How much is enough? Because everyone’s had enough.

When did the British Empire become uhm.. the UK..

No amount of Marshall aid (yes, the UK did get the lions share, but we never saw it) was going to keep the British Empire. You can't row against history.

I think there is a reason the Greeks, and to lesser extent Romans, and certainly Jews developed mythologies around the idea of destinies and divinities. It's because when you realise how we got here, you realise that whilst it really is an end to end series of random events, they actually all lead to a particular place.

Yes, we all have free will. But (passim) some people are finding out that all the free will in the world ain't delivering healthy drinking water. to keep things current.

Slight diversion but two good yarns about predestination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_and_Effect_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_(film)

An amusing little article.

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/re-inventing-rishi-again

Forget "stop the boats", it now has to be "stop the planes"

3D printing means you could probably knock up a one-flight airframe for a few hundred quid. And if it goes down in the channel - well who cares ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13432781/Albanian-people-smugglers-Amazon-fake-ID-factory-migrants-UK-small-planes-jailed.html

Oh FFS.🙄

Why do we have to suffer this godawful fuckwittery?🤦‍♀️ Call a GE now PM Sunak, so we can Stop the Tories.

Geo politics

Nothing else will matter

I'm glad to be old. Our grandchildren will pay a high price for all of this, if they survive to do so.

Chris heaton-harris to step down at next election. Another one bites the dust..

BBC News - Chris Heaton-Harris not standing for re-election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-69032420

Excellent interview with Wes Streeting in this morning’s Telegraph. Hope you can all see it.

http://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1709/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1709/pub/1709/page/32/article/NaN

I think he's a fucking weasle

@user8800 I agree. I certainly don't believe the NHS is safe in his hands, his proposals will facilitate the transfer of public money to private health companies. But that's not surprising considering he's taken £175,000 in donations from private health companies. Wes Streeting, bought and paid for by private health firms.

It is very true that you see the difference in the party every time Cameron pops up, but it's not necessarily for the better. He caused the party to swing far right and bought in Brexit which has caused so much upheaval. However I don't know I felt more stable with him at the helm for exactly those reasons; there was no need for Brexit. He ran off and didn't sort out his mess. He did it all to pander to the right of his party rather than throw them out. It's only gone further downhill but heralding him as some sort of Tory saviour is off.

If Wes is offering him a welcome I think that would be a concern.

I have met a few nurses outraged that they can't wear a cross at work, so see the lanyard dog whistle too. Mini culture wars within the NHS is not something I would imagine either party endorsing.

Love the boat and tent metaphor though - no more citizens of nowhere. Apart from Cameron and Theresa May maybe...

Brilliant article

“One of the fascinating things about David Cameron being back in government, as Foreign Secretary, is that every time he pops up on the telly, you’re reminded of what the Conservative Party used to look like,” Mr Streeting said.

Very very true.

I agree about Cameron but I didn’t read it as offering him a welcome. That would be insane.

I also don’t have an issue with using private facilities and staff for speeding up treatment for NHS patients. It seems eminently sensible to me. With waiting lists in excess of seven million we should be doing whatever it takes to get through them as fast as possible. To be honest the country’s in such a fucking mess I’m prepared to suspend idealism for a bit.

I think given the sheer size of the backlog and waiting times that people are having to endure that we will need to make use of private health services AND paying more in overtime.

I don't think people should have to wait until the staffing and infrastructure is improved.

No government should be moaning about productivity whilst people are waiting months/years for treatment.

Improving the relationships & dialogue with medical unions won't go amiss either.

Meh. Politicians take donations, since seeing the scale of racist misogynist Frank Hester's donations to the Tories (£15m pounds) £186k seems like peanuts.

I think Streeting is very political and don't trust him in the way i trust Starmer but I think he's very effective and intelligent so will be good in government.