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Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.

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DuncinToffee · 08/05/2024 09:00

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Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.
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AdamRyan · 17/05/2024 12:00

That is awful. Those poor kids. Why weren't they being better supported?

dontcallmelen · 17/05/2024 12:41

Bigcoatlady · 16/05/2024 22:50

I am so sorry @fabio12 that is desperately sad.

Really is my sincere sympathy Fabio
these last few pages especially of the thread has indeed made for grim reading, makes you weep knowing this lot have & are ripping apart this country purely because they can decimating anything that makes peoples lives better healthier secure with services/benefits etc that should be available in one of the richest economies.
I worked for a homeless charity for many years, getting clients into supported housing, supporting access for MH/addiction services/ education & training after 1997 we were given so many resources with a real will between the different strands of services to work together, we had many many fabulous schemes/initiatives that really bettered our clients lives, that was practically dismantled once austerity started leaving just the bare bones, staffing cuts & very little collaborative work between the agencies as we & them were just fire fighting.

dontcallmelen · 17/05/2024 12:41

Oh & wishing you a speedy recovery piggy 💐

Alexandra2001 · 17/05/2024 13:45

Bigcoatlady · 17/05/2024 11:28

Its objective was to reduce the deficit - on some measures it did that, leading to Philip Hammond announcing it had been effective and could formally end in 2019. I agree completely it knackered public services in a completely inequitable way and I disagreed with the way it was implemented then and now. But if the objective was reducing the deficit then on its own terms it was an effective policy - they were not trying to reduce child poverty, reduce social inequality, reduce crime rates, improve public health, increase life expectancy or any other worthwhile objective

Public borrowing, or the deficit, goes up and down constantly, its better to grow the economy to reduce it than slash services, something Osbourne completely failed to do.

As a policy, Austerity was/is a fucking disaster, its going to cost the UK far far more to fix all that is broken in the UK, be that roads, rail, utilities, schools and hospitals or as i suspect, it wont get fixed and UK will continue to sink further down the rankings as inequality grows.

Debt to GDP therefore steadily from 2010 to 2020, be fore sky rocketting during Covid.

Not quite sure why you re defending the tories in a rather round a bout way?

Bigcoatlady · 17/05/2024 14:10

Alexandra2001 · 17/05/2024 13:45

Public borrowing, or the deficit, goes up and down constantly, its better to grow the economy to reduce it than slash services, something Osbourne completely failed to do.

As a policy, Austerity was/is a fucking disaster, its going to cost the UK far far more to fix all that is broken in the UK, be that roads, rail, utilities, schools and hospitals or as i suspect, it wont get fixed and UK will continue to sink further down the rankings as inequality grows.

Debt to GDP therefore steadily from 2010 to 2020, be fore sky rocketting during Covid.

Not quite sure why you re defending the tories in a rather round a bout way?

Because somebody up thread asked for examples of governments sticking to their promises. We had a sensible discussion of situations where governments had done that even where we didn't like the promises. Thatcher committed to extending discounts to enable the right to buy and did achieve that goal dramatically for example. It was a stupid policy but she clearly achieved it.

You jumped into a debate midway. I am clearly not defending the Tories just explaining the point you asked a question about.

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2024 14:51

One from Johnson's resignation honours list

Tory peer Lord Ranger has been suspended from the Lords for 3 weeks and banned from parliamentary bars for a year after harassing others while he was drunk

"he acted aggressively, shouting and swearing at the complainants, for instance calling them “fucking useless”, and invading their personal space in a way they found threatening"

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user8800 · 17/05/2024 16:32

Lord Ranger has resigned the whip

He'll sit as an independent

SerendipityJane · 17/05/2024 16:38

user8800 · 17/05/2024 16:32

Lord Ranger has resigned the whip

He'll sit as an independent

99 blue bottles
standing on a wall.

user8800 · 17/05/2024 16:39

SerendipityJane · 17/05/2024 16:38

99 blue bottles
standing on a wall.

😃

user8800 · 17/05/2024 17:04

SerendipityJane · 17/05/2024 16:22

New Tory strategy for candidates (Grant Shapps approved)

Don't say you are a Tory.

...might work??.....

newnamethanks · 17/05/2024 17:36

Ah, that explains an election leaflet i had through my door just before local elections. Grey and white, no blue, candidate's name 'your local candidate'. ??? Never heard of him, finally noticed tiny Tory logo, bottom corner of page. Up for election yet ashamed to show themselves. Awful people.

cardibach · 17/05/2024 17:38

newnamethanks · 17/05/2024 17:36

Ah, that explains an election leaflet i had through my door just before local elections. Grey and white, no blue, candidate's name 'your local candidate'. ??? Never heard of him, finally noticed tiny Tory logo, bottom corner of page. Up for election yet ashamed to show themselves. Awful people.

It’ll still say it on the ballot paper though.

SerendipityJane · 17/05/2024 17:42

newnamethanks · 17/05/2024 17:36

Ah, that explains an election leaflet i had through my door just before local elections. Grey and white, no blue, candidate's name 'your local candidate'. ??? Never heard of him, finally noticed tiny Tory logo, bottom corner of page. Up for election yet ashamed to show themselves. Awful people.

Andy Street had no logo at all. Nothing. Even ChatGPT couldn't determine the party he represented after having a damn good look.

Which made it all the more odd that he was singing like a canary about being a "proud conservative" in his defeat speech.

Unless I am missing some subtle messaging. A parade of losers all bigging up the Tory party might send the wrong message.

MissMarplesNiece · 17/05/2024 17:50

Re the new Tory strategy of " Don't tell them you're a Tory" . Andy Street, former West Midlands Mayor, tried this for years. From the amount of green on his newsletters one could have imagined he was from the Green Party. It didn't really fool us folk in the West Midlands.

TheABC · 17/05/2024 18:25

Everyone is is just counting the weeks until Rishi calls an election. Including the MPs.

Are we waiting on an especially lucrative government contract or similar? I can't believe the Conservatives want to wait until the winter, when the clocks reset and the NHS falls over.

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2024 18:33

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/home-office-rwanda-mess-inept-ministers-3060457

“It’s actual chaos”

“Inept” ministers who fail to understand “the mess they have created” are responsible for new delays to Rishi Sunak’s flagship Rwanda plan, Home Office insiders have told inews'

Home Office Rwanda mess deepens as officials despair over ‘inept’ ministers

'It’s actual chaos,' a Home Office source tells i. 'They don’t understand what they’ve done and they need us to explain it to them.'

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/home-office-rwanda-mess-inept-ministers-3060457

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newnamethanks · 17/05/2024 18:36

They've all got a long summer break coming up. May as well hit the expenses while they can. Otherwise they may have to go to Butlins. Which I would love to see.

Notonthestairs · 17/05/2024 19:01

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2024 18:33

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/home-office-rwanda-mess-inept-ministers-3060457

“It’s actual chaos”

“Inept” ministers who fail to understand “the mess they have created” are responsible for new delays to Rishi Sunak’s flagship Rwanda plan, Home Office insiders have told inews'

They don’t understand what they’ve done and they need us to explain it to them. It’s utterly inept.”
^^ tremendous Brexit vibes.

HannibalHeyes · 17/05/2024 19:15

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2024 18:33

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/home-office-rwanda-mess-inept-ministers-3060457

“It’s actual chaos”

“Inept” ministers who fail to understand “the mess they have created” are responsible for new delays to Rishi Sunak’s flagship Rwanda plan, Home Office insiders have told inews'

Funny how they use a picture of James "Cleverly" to illustrate...

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2024 19:37

From HappyToast :

Scientists identify the parasite destroying the UK’s water quality

Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.
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Piggywaspushed · 17/05/2024 19:42

Cheguevarahamster · 17/05/2024 17:50

Come on, Caroline. Come over to the Dark Side. You know you want to. The water's warm. And clean.

HannibalHeyes · 17/05/2024 20:08

Tory supporters are writing Labour's election campaign ads themselves!

Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.
TooBigForMyBoots · 17/05/2024 20:18

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2024 18:33

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/home-office-rwanda-mess-inept-ministers-3060457

“It’s actual chaos”

“Inept” ministers who fail to understand “the mess they have created” are responsible for new delays to Rishi Sunak’s flagship Rwanda plan, Home Office insiders have told inews'

Never has a Bill been so aptly named. It certainly is an illegal Migration Act.

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